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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2011 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

This is a supremely useful resource. I could spend hours cross-referencing all those musicians - it is endlessly fascinating. Very little attention has been paid in the past to the contribution of those wonderful musicians, unless it's somebody who has made a name perhaps as a jazzman outside films, or someone with some really startlingly original sounds such as Emil Richards. Come to think of it, even they never got the attention they deserved.

I think sometimes it's easy to forget that there are real people playing those instruments. We tend to concentrate on the compositional side of things, and we'll defend our favourite composers without really thinking about the principal cellists and the vast amount of experience they have on hundreds of films over many decades in some cases. I'll bet there are a lot of unheard of names out there who could tell a story or two about our beloved and not-so-beloved composers and conductors.

And then again, it's just a joy to click on a name you'd never heard of and realize you've got fifty CDs with that person on it.

 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

This is really cool. I like to take these lists and put them in the "lyrics" field of my iPod rips so I can peruse them while listening to the music.

 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   meddlingmonk   (Member)

I always figured Louise DiTullio did a lot more, then realized I was counting all those Intradas and Vareses in there...It's a thing I check for now. I get a disk, and there in the flute section...

 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I count 70-odd FSM CDs with Edgar Lustgarten on cello. I wonder if that's a record. What about the scores he played on which have not been released by FSM (!)

 Posted:   Jan 19, 2011 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

You can see I'm putting off my responsibilities here - I just researched a bit of Lustgarten info, and gave up counting the number of NON-SOUNDTRACK albums he has appeared on - over 200 between 1950 and 2010!

I wonder how he had time to write all those crime novels (Ha Ha - it's another guy... I think).

Bye, must pretend I'm working.

 Posted:   Dec 16, 2012 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Just bumping this because we were swinging this way on the PELHAM thread, and it might be nice to develop it outside the gritty '70s idiom.

 Posted:   Dec 16, 2012 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

This is fascinating and valuable. Thanks to the compilers and thanks for bringing it to our attention. I had missed the earlier notice.

Such a large task will take time to reach perfection. Here's one glitch I happened to notice. While the famous violinist Louis Kaufman is credited for Ben-Hur, that score does not appear in his summary. He should also be credited for Kings Row and The Sea Hawk, since (according to the filmography in his memoir), he served as concertmaster for most of the Korngold scores. (The Korngold orchestra credits are obviously incomplete, doubtless owing to a paucity of surviving documentation.) Kaufman was principal violinist for scores ranging from early Steiner and Stothart to John Williams. His memoir, A Fiddler's Tale, contains much fascinating material about his studio work.

 Posted:   Dec 16, 2012 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

For all my FSM film scores, I create a text file w information about the recording, which includes a track listing & timings, the PR info from the web, and the AFM Musicians list. KR puts the musician info in a PDF, and Intrada puts the musician info on the back inside cover.

A fun game: find all your scores where D Frontiere plays accordion.

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I was "surprised" (I shouldn't have been) to see that Dom Frontiere is on the accordeon on WAR OF THE WORLDS/ WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE/ NAKED JUNGLE/ CONQUEST OF SPACE - well, probably on one of them only, but it's a communal credit on the Intrada double-doofer.

Genuinely surprised (maybe just through ignorance) to learn that that the very great jazzman Shelly Manne was the tympanist on Miklos Rozsa's KING OF KINGS.

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Graham, I am sure some of these listed musicians would surprise even the producers of the ST recordings.

Here are some other neat ones: Barney Kessel, guitar (Previn: All in a Night's Work); Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar (Hamlisch: Bananas); William Kraft, drums (Previn: Inside Daisy Clover); Lee Ritenour, guitar (C Bernstein: Gator); Shelley Manne, drums & Artie Kane, piano (Goldsmith: Step out of Line), Previn, piano and Mancini, orchestrator (North: Four Girls in Town).

I think the William Kraft entry is the fellow that scored "Avalanche" in the 70s.

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

PS: One of the "Frontiere" accordion entries I was looking for was on Lionel Newman's Last Wagon ST from 1956, which is on Intrada SC Vol 101.

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hey lexedo!

Do you think Paul Beaver was the one performing the clavinet in POINT BLANK?

"FSM CDs Featuring Paul Beaver

Instruments: Keyboards, Synthesizer, Moog, Organ

Beneath the Planet of the Apes
The Cincinnati Kid: Lalo Schifrin Film Scores, Vol. 1 (1964–1968)
Grand Prix
The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter
The Illustrated Man
Point Blank/The Outfit
The Satan Bug: Archival Edition
The Split
TV Omnibus: Volume One (1962-1976)
The Undefeated/Hombre"

You also asked about BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES in your clavinet thread;
seems as though Mr. Beaver was on keyboard - but keyboard of which instrument?

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I'm just happy that they are finally, finally, finally being acknowledged.

The earliest instance of credited musicians which I can recall being on a soundtrack album would be United Artists' LP of TWO FOR THE SEE SAW, which on the reverse side acknowledges the main soloists:

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I think soloists were credited for THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, not coincidentally one of the first film scores to foreground its jazz elements.

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I'm very curious about Stanley Myers being credited as the clarinet player in three different recording sessions of Albert Glasser scores:

Stanley Myers as sole clarinetist for INVASION U.S.A., June 10th 1952 at Sound Service Studio

Then as "Stan" Myers on EARTH VS. THE SPIDER, August 13th 1958 at MacGregor's

...then with Hugo Raimondi on THE BOY AND THE PIRATES, February 1 1960 @ Ryder Studio.

If this was the same Stanley Myers who began to write film scores by 1966, then he must have been about 19 years old when was playing clarinet in '52.

Does anybody know anything about this MacGregor recording location?

Sounds like a restaurant with a large catering room was being used for recording sessions. smile

Just imagine musicians speaking in brogue: "Git yer kilt on, will ya? Wir gaun' ta MacGregors!"

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

TR: I believe Mikael gave BTPOTA a listen, and he didn't think it was a Clavinet. Listen to the Alexander the Great, though, and you hear it there too. Mik really knows that stuff though.

Strange that no one before Previn Two for the Seesaw or Golden Arm gave musician credits on the records. KR's Previn CD reissue has the same credits as the LP, btw. I would have figured Mancini to at least show who the main soloists were.

You know who is a cool player that is everywhere (e.g., Goldsmith & Fielding) on our scores: Joe Porcaro, the drummer. He's the father of the guys that started the band, Toto, and they are all excellent players as well.

A few personal "bass" favs: Milton Kestenbaum and Chuck Demonico.

Another interesting thing for me to search for: the banjo players on the old western records, and even some re-recordings (e.g., M&S Red River -- I think it's cool that some Mockba guy is playing a banjo).

 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

The composer Stanley Myers was English so I am sure that is a different musician.


 Posted:   Jan 20, 2013 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Hey guys n' dolls, lexedo here, just spending a few days chillin' out at Graham's place. Neat. The case is, I couldn't find the right thread for what I'm gonna say, b/c this stuff isn't on the FSM label. But I'm gonna get to the point. So Graham poses this kinda cute question, he says "Hey man, I'm gonna give you a list of names, and you tell me the show", and I was like, sweet, very sweet. So here's the line-up. Pretty cool line-up b/c a lot of these names are more kinda like in the minds of jazzers. I'll tell you, I was surprised as hell to hear what these cats all played on!

Ronny Lang
Uan Rasey
Dick Nash
Red Callender
Frankie Capp
Milt Holland
Cappy Lewis
Larry Bunker
William Kraft
Red Mitchell
Laurindo Almeida
Barney Kessel
Milton Kestenbaum
Tommy Tedesco
Vince DeRosa
Clare Fischer
Emil Richards
Artie Kane
Gene Cipriano
Tommy Morgan
Pete Candoli

So I'm like scratching my head going "Wow man, that's one hell of a line-up for a TV show". I was thinking maybe Peter Gunn or something, but the answer is....................................

STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES! Now I'm gonna have to shell out 250 bucks for the set! Nice, very nice!

 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

You had a fine time at my place, didn't you lexedo? (sound of joke gone flat)

Anyway, the unexpected "jazzers' club" names on STAR TREK aside, I see that the ubiquitous Mr Lustgarten (and the Kaproffs) are on the TREK set as well! When Lukas gave us access to this great resourse for the FSM releases recorded in L.A., I thought "Wait - those guys are on nearly a hundred FSM releases alone"! Then when Intrada started putting their musicians lists up, Mr Lustgarten and the Kaproffs are on a bunch of them too. And now La-La Land!

I think that Mr Lustgarten and the Kaproffs must have played on billions of films. Has anyone done an in-depth interview with studio musicians with such vast CVs? It would be fascinating to hear what they have/ had to say.

 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

This is the thread I was on about in Dana's post about Virginia Majewski. There are other similar threads around, so this might not be the best, but you can all add to it and MAKE it the best!

Where's lexedo, by the way?

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