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Jun 25, 2011 - 7:27 AM
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shadowman
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Pops, ticks, scratches, sludge, dirt, off-center pressings, inner-groove distortion, pre- and post-echo, warping, limited dynamics, repeated trips to exchange defective discs . . . Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddd, you have to get up to turn the darn thing over to play side 2. And they wear out and start to sound muddy after alot of play. Yeah, LP's sure were fun LOL.
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Jun 25, 2011 - 10:58 AM
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OnyaBirri
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Pops, ticks, scratches, sludge, dirt, off-center pressings, inner-groove distortion, pre- and post-echo, warping, limited dynamics, repeated trips to exchange defective discs . . . If you don't take care of your CDs, they won't play well either. And the limited dynamics were actually a GOOD thing. I can't tell you how many classical/orchestral/film CDs I own with dynamics so exaggerated you literally can't find an ideal level to play them.
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Jun 25, 2011 - 11:51 AM
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MusicMad
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LP's were wonderful for huge and lovely artwork. I sometimes buy them only for the artwork. There´s just more space for it. The same was valid for Laserdisc. A friend of mine had a nice bunch of special editions from Disney made for the market in the States. Lovely, lovely design! Here in Germany we only got and get editions mainly aimed at kids... boring in comparison. But ultimately the content is what counts and that is were LP's sucked - and still suck - so badly. I hate the constant noise, pops, crackle, problems so much... for years I asked myself if my turntable was badly aligned. So finally I bought a new system for the tonearm, cleaned all the parts, configured it perfectly (to utter perfection mind you). It was better but still not good enough, even with new LP's. Some pops and crackles still prevail, even if I clean the LP's thoroughly. For me the LP's is dead for quite some time now. There really are no advantages to digital systems. I wrote an article about that here if you´re interested: http://www.soundtrackforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=220 I enjoyed reading your article, Marlene, and, as someone who grew up on vinyl LPs and suffered all the faults (including warped discs ... no matter how much I adjusted the counter-balance the arm still jumped!) I much prefer CDs. That said, I've heard/read time and again that the vinyl sound is better than the CD/digital sound at the high-end ... i.e. a top-end deck, etc. I've not had the chance to hear such equipment and long ago decided CDs (now streaming) is the way forward. But one issue which I don't think you covered (I apologise if I missed it) is that of the DAC: if the CD user is listening with inferior equipment then the vinyl sound will likely sound better simply because the conversion of the digital signal to the analogue sound has corrupted the recording. The signal reader (i.e. CD transport) is only part of the equation: given a fixed sound environment (i.e. the amplifier (pre/power), interconnects, speakers, remain the same) then the DAC is all-important and a basic CD transport with internal DAC isn't going to do justice to the collector's library of CDs. That said, a high-end DAC is of little use in a cheap hi-fi set-up. Getting the balance right is all-important.
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"...Major...you've got me about as confused as I'll ever be...!! " Musicmad, you went and got technical with me, didnt you!!! I'm assuming that Where Eagles Dare is another of your favourite films Bill. My copy of this fine Ron Goodwin LP came with a ready to assemble Cable Car model, ahh! those were the days.
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Cable car? Lucky you. I got a model of the castle with my LP and a school bus with a snow plough on the front! Had both the stereo english LP with B/W pic of schloss adler on front and also the american colour cover with eastwood and burton on the front. I had the English release, the FSM release of the entire score went straight to No 1 in our house, It's still one of my favourite film scores, I even bought "Shoes of the Fisherman" so that I could get the album version of Where Eagles Dare, which is on the 2nd disc.
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Why do Eastwood and Burton have fish bowls on their heads?
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Jun 26, 2011 - 1:04 AM
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Miguel Rojo
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Thanks Musicmad - if I lived somewhere big enough and desolate enough for a big system, I would invest and play loud. But I understand what you mean - when you start down an upgrade road its never ending cost. As a kid, I always took the view spending money on improving stereo took away money I couldve spent on soundtrack LPs! And when you've spent a chunk of life listening to recordings made in the cinema, with coughs and seat bangs, and humming and whistling off the old tellies, anything that is clean and clear - mono or otherwise - sounds fine!! Cheers Bob for posting those - its always been an interesting comparison, those two versions. Probably one of the more striking differences between a US release and a UK one. Probably as different as Two Mules for sister sara! If people can be bothered, it might make an interesting thread - US LP releases up against other european versions. Plenty of variety there over the years. (mind you, maybe we've had one) Chris - it was a strange picture to choose for the US one given they could've used any action image from the film. I liked it because it was so different from the castle version I'd seen. Perhaps Burton and Eastwood got extra money for posing with fishbowls? Although I hear there was some late night drinking going on after filming! Or, of course, it could just be two white circles drawn by an artist to show that in this picture, these two germans mixing with other alpine korps are in fact ...spies. damn, another spoiler.
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Or, of course, it could just be two white circles drawn by an artist to show that in this picture, these two germans mixing with other alpine korps are in fact ...spies. damn, another spoiler. Damn it Miguel, now you've gone and ruined the whole film for me
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