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 Posted:   Aug 18, 2011 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

This film is now available on an MGM MOD DVD.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2011 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Most of MY GUN IS QUICK is credited to Merlin Skiles. One cue ("Murder on the Stairs") lasting about a minute and a half is credited to "John T. Williams." Since Williams was credited as "Johnny" Williams in most of his early work, are we certain this is the same guy?

can you please reply Jameson where did you find this information? I've searched all over the net, but i didn't find anything. And i would be very much interested to know..
Do you have a cue list or something of the movie?

apparently, it must be the same John Williams. i don't think there could be another John Williams that wrote film music and had the same initial (T). It would be much of a coincidence..

I found only this in TCM site:
A modern source lists Alexander Courage and John Williams as contributors to the music score.

but what is the source? we don't know..

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2011 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   thx99   (Member)

Well, there's this entry from the BMI website titled "MY GUN IS QUICK-BG CUES":
http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&keyID=0&ShowNbr=257400000&ShowSeqNbr=2&querytype=WorkID

No specific mention of the cue title(s), though.

And here's the entry for Alexander Courage:
http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&keyid=0&ShowNbr=257400000&ShowSeqNbr=1&querytype=WorkID

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2011 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Most of MY GUN IS QUICK is credited to Merlin Skiles. One cue ("Murder on the Stairs") lasting about a minute and a half is credited to "John T. Williams." Since Williams was credited as "Johnny" Williams in most of his early work, are we certain this is the same guy?

Well, one more try if Jameson281 sees this.
Can you please let us know where did you find this information?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Any sign of Jameson281?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He's probably disappeared off the face of the earth.

I still maintain that it's doubtful about Williams' involvement here, though. Especially after having seen the film and the scene in question. It just doesn't add up. There are motivic fragments in the scene that pop up elsewhere in Skiles' score. Plus, it segues directly into the long 'car-tailing scene'. It's not a single cue, stop, then another cue. It's just one, continous cue that lasts for about 10 minutes, containing several of the themes that Skiles introduces early on.

At most, it's a question of Williams ARRANGEMENT, the way I hear it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

He's probably disappeared off the face of the earth.


Well, he's not.
I saw a post of his very recently. I think some days ago.
Maybe he doesn't watch this thread?
I don't know. But I really need an official source of that information he provided.

I think Williams involement is undoubtable since there is the entry in the BMI site about the copyrights with his name and the title of the film.
Unless that site has errors too. But I doubt it.

i think it was a single cue! hadn't I posted it somewhere? (at jwfan maybe)
oh yeah, here it is:
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21193

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

No i haven't seen it yet.
Just that scene..
You mean that repeated 4-note motif is used elsewhere too?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

No i haven't seen it yet.
Just that scene..
You mean that repeated 4-note motif is used elsewhere too?


Hmmm....I can't remember if it was a 4-note motif, but there were fragments there that appeared elsewhere in the score too. I'll have to see the film again.

I recommend that you see the film. You'll understand why I find it somewhat doubtful that Williams was involved as COMPOSER, despite what BMI says. I'm not ruling it out altogether, but it would be very, very strange considering how that scene is constructed and the music within it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

No i haven't seen it yet.
Just that scene..
You mean that repeated 4-note motif is used elsewhere too?


Hmmm....I can't remember if it was a 4-note motif, but there were fragments there that appeared elsewhere in the score too. I'll have to see the film again.

I recommend that you see the film. You'll understand why I find it somewhat doubtful that Williams was involved as COMPOSER, despite what BMI says. I'm not ruling it out altogether, but it would be very, very strange considering how that scene is constructed and the music within it.


You can hear the piece, in the jwfan link I provided above.
If it is that! I was based on Jameson's information about a cue "murder on the stairs".
It features a repeated 4-note motif.
Even if this motif was used elsewhere in the score, Williams could be still the composer of the cue.

I mean, if i'm hired by a composer to write only a cue, and he wants me to use one motif of his, well, I'm still the composer of the cue (with his motif. Maybe it's more precise as score adaptation)


EDIT: Ok, because we changed page, i'm writing here again a call to Jameson281 please! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

I just read in a French book about John Williams, in the filmography section, that his first film score is "My Gun is Quick" (1957) (although he is uncredited there), and not Daddy-O as I've thought all these years.
I've searched the net and apparently this information is all over.

Does anyone have more information about how much of the score Williams contributed? in what scenes, what cues etc.?
Maybe it was just source music as in Stark Fear in which he wrote party music?


I believe JW's first complete score was "Diamond Head".

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I believe JW's first complete score was "Diamond Head".

Depends on what you mean with 'complete'.

In many of Williams' early films, there were also songs or tracks by other composers. Same with DIAMOND HEAD, which had the main theme song by Hugo Winterhalter -- which was then incorporated into Williams' own score in instrumental form.

But as far as I know, Williams composed ALL of the dramatic underscore (and even a couple of source cues here and there) for DADDY-O, I PASSED FOR WHITE, BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG, THE SECRET WAYS and BACHELOR FLAT (plus several TV episodes) -- which all preceded DIAMOND HEAD. However, DIAMOND HEAD was the first-ever FILM soundtrack of a Williams score. BACHELOR FLAT only received its premiere release a few years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

For those who keep asking where Jameson got the info - from a cue sheet, where else?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

For those who keep asking where Jameson got the info - from a cue sheet, where else?

yes, I understand that.
But I wanted to ask if this cue sheet is online somewhere, or where it is situated etc.
I'm writing my dissertation on Williams, and you have to be detailed about your sources.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm looking forward to your dissertation, Konstantinos. It might be the most detailed yet. However, I assume it's in Greek. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I'm looking forward to your dissertation, Konstantinos. It might be the most detailed yet. However, I assume it's in Greek. frown

Yes, it will be in Greek but I'm afraid it will be strictly musicological on an academic level.
(meaning it will have terminology, harmonic analyses, musical syntax etc.)
But after that, I will look into a possibility of an English translation and publication, although we will have to face the important problem with the rights of the music examples.

Anyway, I believe the Greek one will be finished by early October! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Good luck!

Oh, and let's find that Jameson.

JAAAAAAAAMESON!

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Deleted.

I didn't realise the post was an old one revived, and repeated myself.

That'd never do.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2013 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Good luck!


Thank you! smile

 
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