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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Yes...physical media by all means (I dislike downloading) but made on demand (you can include the booklets but wouldn't have to have 3000 CDs pressed up). For my own solo work I have blank CDs made with printing on the disc and burn them with my music when needed. So I am not sitting on a large inventory of albums which may or may not sell.

Burned discs only mean a cheaper product. They're not the same thing as a pressed disc. The Warner Archive has had QC issues since they started their program (playback, compatibility etc); similar issues are not any form of solution here. The labels seem to press in batches anyway, so it doesn't seem likely they sit on 3,000 copies of anything. And burned discs also do nothing to address the issue of a thinning audience, if that's indeed the problem.

It sounds to me like MMM hit it on the head unfortunately. The silver lining is that the labels all seem to know this and, thankfully, produce accordingly.

Now, can someone please resolve the Star Trek TOS hold-up? smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

MMM's estimate of the situation tallies with my personal experience.

- I and at least one other guy told LOST IN SPACE Internet fan groups about the LLL set and poured on the praise for it, but the response was minimal. These groups are full of rabid fans who'll count the rivets in a Jupiter 2 control panel and debate hypothetical story ideas, but they are mostly not LIS music fans.

- The other guy was/is also a regular on this bboard, if I recall correctly.


Might have been me, Zap. I am involved on two or three Irwin Allen forums and try to spread the word. Some people comment back, most don't.

Sadly, film scores will always be the absolute least popular form of music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Might have been me, Zap.

It was you, old buddy. I guess the intersection of film score and LOST IN SPACE fandoms is a small sliver on the Venn diagram of life.

Sadly, film scores will always be the absolute least popular form of music.

That's a slight exaggeration, but close enough. The reason I find it surprising is summed up in a quote from SHADOW OF THE VAMPIRE:

"Our battle, our struggle, is to create art. Our weapon is the moving picture. Because we have the moving picture, our paintings will grow and recede; our poetry will be shadows that lengthen and conceal; our light will play across living faces that laugh and agonize; and our music will linger and finally overwhelm, because it will have a context as certain as the grave."

If anything, film music should have been among the most popular genres.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

But some of us labels LIKE doing nice productions with physical liner books (although without physical staples), hard plastic shiny CDs, etc. It just wouldn't be as much fun doing downloads, and if we did pdfs of the books, I can only imagine how many people would take them for free at the same time they got a friend to copy the mp3s for them. Recipe for financial disaster, if you ask me. When physical media vanishes in terms of film music, I will move onto other areas, unless those areas have been entirely digitized, too! Then I'll just sit and twiddle my thumbs.

Yes...physical media by all means (I dislike downloading) but made on demand (you can include the booklets but wouldn't have to have 3000 CDs pressed up). For my own solo work I have blank CDs made with printing on the disc and burn them with my music when needed. So I am not sitting on a large inventory of albums which may or may not sell.


Perhaps more or a different "Lost in Space" compilation is possible.


 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2014 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

But some of us labels LIKE doing nice productions with physical liner books (although without physical staples), hard plastic shiny CDs, etc. It just wouldn't be as much fun doing downloads, and if we did pdfs of the books, I can only imagine how many people would take them for free at the same time they got a friend to copy the mp3s for them. Recipe for financial disaster, if you ask me. When physical media vanishes in terms of film music, I will move onto other areas, unless those areas have been entirely digitized, too! Then I'll just sit and twiddle my thumbs.

I've read that a 50th Anniversary blu-ray (and HOPEFULLY DVD set, too) of "Lost in Space" (all seasons with extras) may happen in 2015.

50th Anniversary All-original-scores for "Lost in Space" CD set in 2015?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It appears the series used a lot of library music. I bet a lot of music ppl would like to have was not written exclusively for the series, and wouldn't make it onto a complete box set.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I was obsessed with Lost in Space as a kid, and I must have seen every episode four or five times. I would therefore represent the target audience for a Lost in Space box set of either the show or the music.

But it is almost impossible for me to imagine having the patience to watch that show again. I'm happy to have a model of the robot, and the CDs that were released, but I don't think I'd spring for any kind of box set of either the show or the music. It's one thing to stumble across a CD for under ten bucks, and quite another to commit to a buying a box.

I did buy the complete Star Trek CD box set, and I've made through the entire thing only once. I did revisit some of the highlights that I particularly liked.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

50th Anniversary All-original-scores for "Lost in Space" CD set in 2015?

Given the weak sales of the LLL release (see above), it's hard to imagine any label would take this third bite at these scores, especially in an expensive set.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

as suggested above, if a new release coincided with the blu-ray, it might get additional sales from show fans....BUT it would have to have substantially more music to interest collectors. The LLL release might have tanked because it mostly rehashed earlier cds.

I dont watch the show anymore, but I still play the GNP cds. And among box releases, I think ST:TOS is the best ever, partly because it interests two cult groups (Ost and Trek fans).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   AgentM   (Member)

Hopefully, if any new soundtrack is released all those missing cues will have been found. I thought that library music was dreadful.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

It appears the series used a lot of library music. I bet a lot of music ppl would like to have was not written exclusively for the series, and wouldn't make it onto a complete box set.

The Fox library music by Bernard Herrmann was a source of many of the signature cues including a short danger piece that hails from "Garden of Evil" but appears in "Lost in Space" Many times, several segments utilized "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (the pilot music, as well) and the jet pack music from "Beneath the 12 Mile Reef".

Of course, there are many more. There are other existing threads that talk about this.

The first season Johnny Williams cues were probably the mainly used recurring themes that created the signature "Lost in Space" music. Less so in the third season, if I recall correctly.

More cues from third season composers who stepped in (such as Joseph Mullendore) might be the adds for a "complete" written-especially-for "Lost in Space" CD 50th Anniversary set?

A "Lost in Space" Fox music library supplement exists now in this incredible Treasure box:

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

as suggested above, if a new release coincided with the blu-ray, it might get additional sales from show fans....BUT it would have to have substantially more music to interest collectors. The LLL release might have tanked because it mostly rehashed earlier cds.

I suggest you read MMM's long post above, which addresses the assumption that fans of a show or movie will be interested in the soundtrack for that show or movie. Read the whole thing, but here's the most important quote:

The fact that it did not take off just might be because there are not enough people outside of the film music crowd who care the slightest about the music, no matter how much they love the show.

I've also found this to be true (with a lot less empirical evidence) from friends of mine who are gigantic fans of "Star Trek" or James Bond or the like, and collect all sorts of paraphernalia from those franchises, but roll their eyes when they find out I like to listen to the scores.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


A "Lost in Space" Fox music library supplement exists now in this incredible Treasure box:


That's good to know, and pretty cool!

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)


A "Lost in Space" Fox music library supplement exists now in this incredible Treasure box:


That's good to know, and pretty cool!


It is great to have that cue from "Garden of Evil" as it was originally written and sounds. It just drifts in and out of "Garden of Evil" in one scene but in "Lost in Space" it becomes a Major Harbinger of True Danger About To Strike! Such fun.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I suggest you read MMM's long post above, which addresses the assumption that fans of a show or movie will be interested in the soundtrack for that show or movie.

well, I didnt say the blu-ray would generate alot of cd sales. Maybe the Batman TV series would, although noone could afford the music after buying the blu/dvds.

...friends of mine who are gigantic fans of "Star Trek" or James Bond or the like, and collect all sorts of paraphernalia from those franchises, but roll their eyes when they find out I like to listen to the scores.

yeah, why is that? Music is up there with religion and politics, so I dont criticize people's music genre tastes but they dont seem to mind judging film music fans.mad

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   AgentM   (Member)

I just wanted to clarify something on my earlier post about the missing LIS cues. I was referring to the lost cues from "The Reluctant Stowaway" that was scored by John Williams. The missing cues were supplemented with library cues that were recorded for the series. If I'm not mistaken, Alfred Newman used John Williams's sheet music and made re-recordings of the music to be used as library music in other seasons of LIS I'm guessing. These are the cues that are found on LLL LIS sound track that I didn't like. So I'm hoping those missing cues will be found.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

If I'm not mistaken, Alfred Newman used John Williams's sheet music and made re-recordings of the music to be used as library music in other seasons of LIS I'm guessing.

I think you mean Lionel Newman.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   AgentM   (Member)

Jeff you are right, it was Lionel Newman I was thinking about. I stand corrected.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

No, it was Alfred E. Newman.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2014 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

No, it was Alfred E. Newman.


LOL
Seriously guys, I couldn't be the only one who got that!

 
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