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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Why the Rózsa Box Sold Out at 1,500, Not 2,000 Copies by Lukas Kendall
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)


My question is one that nobody can answer, but when is somebody going to revisit King Of Kings?

The Rhino release is certainly solid - but it's no longer available and very expensive on the secondary market. frown

If someone wants to release the King of Kings recording from the FSM Rozsa box + the original film tracks - I would buy it. smile


TJ, a friend of mine who knows I like soundtracks found a bunch at a library clearance sale including the Rhino King of Kings and has shipped them to me. They haven't arrived yet so I can't comment on what kind of shape they are in. I am not a massive Rozsa fan and would therefore be willing to trade this to you or sell it at a reasonable price. If you drop me a line at caavis@gmail.com, I can let you know when it arrives and what kind of shape it is in.

Cheers,

Chris.


Chris,

I already have it, I was just thinking about the general (lack of) availability of it

I am sure somebody will take advantage of this, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

These reports are so interesting, & it's very generous of Lukas to share. I was wondering (& I know it's none of my business) why FSM stopped releasing Fox stuff, was it that for some reason they couldn't release both Warner & Fox?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


My question is one that nobody can answer, but when is somebody going to revisit King Of Kings?

The Rhino release is certainly solid - but it's no longer available and very expensive on the secondary market. frown

If someone wants to release the King of Kings recording from the FSM Rozsa box + the original film tracks - I would buy it. smile


TJ, a friend of mine who knows I like soundtracks found a bunch at a library clearance sale including the Rhino King of Kings and has shipped them to me. They haven't arrived yet so I can't comment on what kind of shape they are in. I am not a massive Rozsa fan and would therefore be willing to trade this to you or sell it at a reasonable price. If you drop me a line at caavis@gmail.com, I can let you know when it arrives and what kind of shape it is in.

Cheers,

Chris.


Chris,

I already have it, I was just thinking about the general (lack of) availability of it

I am sure somebody will take advantage of this, though.


Rhino King Of King? Yeah I'm interested. I'll drop you a note

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

I was wondering (& I know it's none of my business) why FSM stopped releasing Fox stuff, was it that for some reason they couldn't release both Warner & Fox?

Very interesting question. I would like to know about it either ! Maybe it's something involving Varèse ?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Check out the credits on the back of the Ben-Hur artwork.

I checked that as soon as I read Lukas's post here and the legal verbiage is obviously different - there's even a WaterTower logo.


Watertower also played ball recently with Intrada to release Rampage, so things do look positive with them. Here's hoping it continues with LLL for Batman TAS Volume 2.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I'm 60 years old now and I've been collecting soundtracks for at least 45 years. The advent of FSM, Rhino, Intrada, MMM, Tribute, BYU, LaLa Land, Kritzerland, Varese-Sarabande and others have given to me things which, 40-odd years ago I never would have thought in my wildest dreams would ever happen.

I'm VERY grateful for what I've gotten.

J.


James, I'm right up there with you in age, years collecting and amazement about the riches that have befallen us in recent years, thanks to the above-mentioned. My sentiments exactly! (And thanks for reminding us!)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2012 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

Something that made me laugh when I read Lukas' post, what I imagined everyone's reaction to be to one part of it.

Lukas: Because the Turner/Rhino deal is now over—we have lost our ability to repress titles like Logan’s Run, Mutiny on the Bounty, the Rozsa box set, etc.

They are ALL out of print!

Us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0&t=2m26s

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2012 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Apparently there's "out of print" and then there's out of print. Looking at the list of FSM discs on the SAE website, there are those titles which have an OOP button, others which have a BUY button or a USED button. The button next to the 3-disc MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY is quite clearly a BUY button, and if you click it you are suddenly looking at your SAE shopping cart with a $34.95 copy of MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY quite clearly displayed as the thing you are proposing to buy. If on the other hand I click a title which has one of the OOP buttons, I get an explanation which basically says, maybe we'll get a used one in some day and you can buy that one. Anyway, MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY may technically be OOP, in the sense that no more are being pressed, but they are not unavailable. Just thought I'd make that distinction in case anyone cares...

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2012 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Lukas, in cases where it's expensive, don't go to the poorhouse trying to keep titles available. You've already given people a lot of chances to buy these things.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2012 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

Apparently there's "out of print" and then there's out of print. Looking at the list of FSM discs on the SAE website, there are those titles which have an OOP button, others which have a BUY button or a USED button. The button next to the 3-disc MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY is quite clearly a BUY button, and if you click it you are suddenly looking at your SAE shopping cart with a $34.95 copy of MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY quite clearly displayed as the thing you are proposing to buy. If on the other hand I click a title which has one of the OOP buttons, I get an explanation which basically says, maybe we'll get a used one in some day and you can buy that one. Anyway, MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY may technically be OOP, in the sense that no more are being pressed, but they are not unavailable. Just thought I'd make that distinction in case anyone cares...

I wonder if that has to do with the fact that FSM doesn't sell product directly, but through SAE, which as far as I understand is a separate entity. I recall that LLL, in particular, will occasionally announce that a title is going OOP on a certain date, at which point the title disappears from their website, but still may be available at SAE (Not Without My Daughter, for example). The same thing with the titles that Intrada deletes from their catalogue (such as Bernstein's Rampage). The license may not allow FSM to sell or press more copies, but SAE, as a reseller, can sell them for as long as they have stock. From a legal standpoint, it could be as if SAE simply bought from FSM all 2000 copies of a particular title up front.

But I agree, the phrase OUT OF PRINT can be misleading sometimes. It's usually taken to mean that an item is completely unavailable, except from Ebay sharks, when that's clearly not the case.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I always appreciate Lukas' candid 'inside-the-business' posts. It makes me feel engaged rather than excluded; and informed instead of scratching my head.

Thank you!

Apart from anything, I find the 'inside-the-business' stuff really, really interesting.

Cheers.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I just don't understand some soundtrack fans, they're happy not to buy a release, that is untill it's going out of print or selling out, & then they must, must have it. I can understand not buying the Rosza box, it's very expensive & if you wanted it you might have to save up for it, but I'd think if you really wanted it, in the two years (I think) it's been out you'd have bought it.

But then again, that's the collector, & without them where would the record companies be?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   E-Wan   (Member)

Because the Turner/Rhino deal is now over—we have lost our ability to repress titles like Logan’s Run, Mutiny on the Bounty, the Rozsa box set, etc.

They are ALL out of print!


So, it seems the original information which titles will be repressed in Lukas´s overview of FSM CD catalog is no longer valid.

Lukas, please could you list all titles where you have lost the ability to repress them with present status of the remaining copies? It would be very helpful.

Thank you very much in advance.

E-Wan

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

I can understand not buying the Rosza box, it's very expensive & if you wanted it you might have to save up for it, but I'd think if you really wanted it, in the two years (I think) it's been out you'd have bought it.



This is a common opinion stated on these boards and one which I will never understand....because there are new fans all the time. Maybe not A LOT, but there are always people finding this music taste for whatever reason. I would imagine there's not enough new blood coming in to replace those who are leaving through death or any other reason, but the fact is six years ago, when I started doing soundtracks beyond Star Trek and Star Wars, my Rozsa collection consisted of a Silva Screen 2 disc sampler. That's it.

If all the "early" FSM titles such as Knights of the Round Table, Lust For Life, etc sold out in two years after their initial release, then my Rozsa collection would be much smaller than it is. I probably wouldn't have cared that much, but now that I did get the chance to hear the man's music, I'm certainly happy about that.

Maybe I'm the exception, but I have no reason to think that any more than any other alternative.

I'm STILL trying to find Broughton's Miracle on 34th Street at a reasonable price - and I don't think it's ever going to happen.

I don't know how long Intrada kept it in their catalog, but that's kind of irrelevant to me because the title was long gone before I even knew about it's (or Intrada's) existance.

What are score fans going to do in 2030 when all this stuff becomes scarce? Settle for some downloadable 4-disc Silva Screen sampler "100 Years of Film Music" which would probably only include Parade of the Charioteers and maybe the Spellbound Concerto?


I'd like to think these huge studios like Warner Bros will make their music catalog downloadable for the masses, but who knows what their plans are for these things.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I agree with everything you're saying TJ (& I was listening to that great Knights Of The Round Table CD only yesterday). There's a few titles where I was too late to the party, that I'd love to buy (The Towering Inferno). I was thinking of the people who say, great I'd love to buy it..& then don't, then when it's sold-out realize they just must have it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   waterfold   (Member)

Well put, TJ. I really didn't start collecting until early 2009, and have been playing catch up ever since. My CD budget allows for a few purchases a month, but when there is something that is always either OOP, or a limited release that is sure to be a hot seller drops, its hard to save up for a huge set. I feel really lucky to have started when I did, though, as things have only gotten crazier with limited releases. And really, with all the snobbery and ill-willed posting that goes on here, I rarely post, and use the boards mainly for news and to monitor interest in new releases so I can try to prioritize purchases.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Totally agree which is why it annoys me when people start complaining about re-releases: "well we already have it". Actually NO. You might have it but some of us don't.

I'm also looking for a decently priced Miracle on 34th street. Hopefully one day that can be re-released too.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

TJ is right on. And I can just imagine someone saying"fuck it" and not bother joining the 'fandom' after seeing disc after disc of stuff they WOULD buy unavailable and then seeing comments about how they'll probably never be available again.
You might say "well the small numbers were needed to make them available in the first place" and this is true, but looking at it from the other end one has to imagine it'd be highly frustrating.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)


You might say "well the small numbers were needed to make them available in the first place" and this is true, but looking at it from the other end one has to imagine it'd be highly frustrating.


In the digital age, this shouldn't even matter.

The great thing about MGM (....the new MGM?...the one who owns United Artists? and markets these soundtracks as MGM soundtracks even though they are really United Artists films?), is all these restored and remastered soundtracks are available fro download for like $7.99 each. They don't include the bonus tracks and they don't have the liner notes, but at least the music is available for anyone who wants it.

I have no idea how much it costs MGM to set up these download licenses with Amazon and iTunes and the like, but the fact that labels are remastering these things for public consumption (at no charge to MGM, I presume) has to remove a lot of the work.

Whether FSM prints another 500 Rozsa boxes doesn't really address the issue that i see, and I do see it as a major issue - and unfortunately a lot of people out there either have their heads buried in the sand or they just don't care about the filmscore market beyond their personal collection - which is fine, they don't have to.

I don't even listen to soundtracks as much as I used to - but I sure hope that the future generation of soundtrack fans who isn't fortunate enough to come from a family of soundtrack lovers with a huge collection - still has the chance to buy some of these classics at an affordable price.

People have businesses to run, but in the long run, what's so special about having all these "holy grails" unearthed if they are only available on the market for 6 months and then they disappear?

People were clamoring for THE GOONIES for years and years. It came and went and I imagine that it won't be too long before people will just start clamoring for it again. Maybe if enough people clamor, whoever owns that film will put the score for download on Amazon

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2012 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Hopkins&Sterne   (Member)

I can understand not buying the Rosza box, it's very expensive & if you wanted it you might have to save up for it, but I'd think if you really wanted it, in the two years (I think) it's been out you'd have bought it.


This is a common opinion stated on these boards and one which I will never understand....because there are new fans all the time. Maybe not A LOT, but there are always people finding this music taste for whatever reason. I would imagine there's not enough new blood coming in to replace those who are leaving through death or any other reason, but the fact is six years ago, when I started doing soundtracks beyond Star Trek and Star Wars, my Rozsa collection consisted of a Silva Screen 2 disc sampler. That's it.



My first Rózsa collection consisted of the "Miklós Rózsa Treasury", which I discovered on this site when looking for something else on 21 Feb and finding the new "Ben-Hur" set. I ordered the big box the following day (having read the low stock heads-up from Lukas), and it was gone by the next again day. This time I know I was lucky in the extreme (it hasn't arrived yet but then I'm over the pond... big customs charge coming as well no doubt).

But I'm still fuming over missing the 300-limited (three HUNDRED limited) UK vinyl Comus "First Utterance" Deluxe edition from 2010 (it's not a film soundtrack, it's the scariest "acid-folk" album ever made, the "Tangerine Dream - The Keep" of its genre and remastered from original tapes and re-issued officially for the first time since first released in 1971). I was already very well acquainted with this "pagan" band from CD, So you see it's happened to me too.

I only took classical film soundtracks REALLY seriously as "must-haves" after seeing "The Egyptian" for the first time on TV - I now have the re-recording and both the FSM and the already expensive Varèse Sarabande set. Well, apart from being obsessed with the music from "Spartacus" and "The Wicker Man" (1973). In truth I've always loved "El-Cid" and "King of Kings" as well though (even if I couldn't have named the composer off the top of my head for too many years that I care to admit).

I did not know about the big Bernard Hermann box over at Varèse (limited to 1000) until after it was gone. Although I would not have paid $200 just for the one disc therein I really wanted (definitive, best-sound apparently edition of "The Ghost and Mrs Muir" which is lovely. Fortunately the film itself is equally wonderful and of course has Gene Tierney in it).

We all have to make decisions based on our taste, our knowledge, and our priorities (available funds especially). Sometimes you get it, other times you miss it, other times you step in it. Now get Googling quick.

 
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