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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Ben-Hur Lives! by Lukas Kendall
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Thank you Lukas for issuing more of this re-release of a GREAT masterwork!
I have finally come round to purchasing this item today from a soundtrack
store here in the UK - Yes this is NOT a typo error a store here in the UK!!
Panic buying or what..........!!!


Considering that HMV has been known to charge serious money (close to £40) for some FSM and Intrada releases - and that's for single-disc releases - what a store might charge for this one boggles the mind!

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Life is like a lumberjack walking on logs. The ground is always moving.

It's necessary to adapt to changing situations. The thing is selling, it's selling deservedly and well. The people who bought it on the first run were like people taking out insurance. If you take out a travel insurance policy against an accident, and no accident actually happens, do you complain afterwards?

The logs are in a different place, the popularity of the product is now tested. The people who bought it first time have the satisfaction of knowing they contributed to its increase and survival to a second run.

PRESS A MILLION, MAKE A FORTUNE, GET THIS OUT TO MUSIC LOVERS EVERYWHERE.



AVE LVCVS CENDALLIS PRINCEPS ET MATESSINO IMPERATOR.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Life is like a lumberjack walking on logs. The ground is always moving.


 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Good call Lukas, and kudos to you as well as Warner/Watertower for allowing an additional pressing.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

you've just spend the money on something you wanted but couldn't afford and didn't need at this moment


My opinion is that consumers should not be spending money on something that they can't afford and don't need, but YMMV of course.

The people who bought it first time have the satisfaction of knowing they contributed to its increase and survival to a second run.

Exactly this.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

When Lukas says, in all caps, that needs the money, I hope everything is okay... confused

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Dupe post.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It's very cool to see that the labels such as Intrada and now FSM are using actual supply and demand of their products to determine quantities instead of predetermined guesstimating.


This!

Debated holding off, but I got my copy from the first run. Didn't want to risk missing out on this release. However happy FSM is expending the run for others whom did not order right away.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

Lukas: "I want to explain very clearly the reason (after the jump)."



This is an actual frame from the film. Note the camera at right.


I don't know where you got the image from, but a frame-by-frame viewing of the film sequence will confirm that Wyler actually cuts the panning shot a few frames before this. All we actually see on screen is a fleeting view of the left of the camera canopy and a very small part of the lens. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Definitely the right decision. Anyone with a 'got mine' attitude, resenting that others might get a chance to enjoy the music which has such overwhelming merit it literally cannot be distributed widely enough -- well, that's just small-minded, is what it is! :-)

I'm still waiting on my copy and really looking forward to it. Thanks Lukas!

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

While I'm happy it's being repressed (I can grab it when I'm more financially sound), I am disappointed by the lack of honesty concerning the release. Reminds me of Bush 88 with 'Read my lips... no new taxes'.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Definitely the right decision. Anyone with a 'got mine' attitude, resenting that others might get a chance to enjoy the music which has such overwhelming merit it literally cannot be distributed widely enough -- well, that's just small-minded, is what it is! :-)

I'm still waiting on my copy and really looking forward to it. Thanks Lukas!

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Definitely the right decision. Anyone with a 'got mine' attitude, resenting that others might get a chance to enjoy the music which has such overwhelming merit it literally cannot be distributed widely enough -- well, that's just small-minded, is what it is! :-)

I don't know of anyone who is resenting that others can't enjoy music. What I can understand is someone being rightly disappointed in the breach of trust after it was made painstakingly clear that there would be NO repressing. No straw man arguments please.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

While I'm happy it's being repressed (I can grab it when I'm more financially sound), I am disappointed by the lack of honesty concerning the release. Reminds me of Bush 88 with 'Read my lips... no new taxes'.

FSM had an initial run of 2000. It sells out within 2 weeks. They decide to print more to meet demand. Good on them. Predicting the appropriate number required is notoriously difficult as we've seen so often in recent years. No dishonesty here, just human beings doing their best for themselves and their customers.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Lukas: "I want to explain very clearly the reason (after the jump)."



This is an actual frame from the film. Note the camera at right.


I don't know where you got the image from, but a frame-by-frame viewing of the film sequence will confirm that Wyler actually cuts the panning shot a few frames before this. All we actually see on screen is a fleeting view of the left of the camera canopy and a very small part of the lens. smile


You must be looking at some 2.35:1 version because I just looked at this last box set presentation in 2:55 or whatever it really is and the whole camera is totally there.
It makes sense, this was a costly once-in-a-lifetime stunt and our focussed attention is on the chariots and there was no video then to analyze it.
But there still wasn't and is no excuse for the cheesy wiggly miniature soldiers during the ramming of the ships in the bad sea battle. Something a few frames here and there could have helped.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

While I'm happy it's being repressed (I can grab it when I'm more financially sound), I am disappointed by the lack of honesty concerning the release. Reminds me of Bush 88 with 'Read my lips... no new taxes'.

FSM had an initial run of 2000. It sells out within 2 weeks. They decide to print more to meet demand. Good on them. Predicting the appropriate number required is notoriously difficult as we've seen so often in recent years. No dishonesty here, just human beings doing their best for themselves and their customers.


Are you saying that doing exactly what someone said they didn't do is not dishonest? Pray tell then, what is?

Here's the quote from Lukas:

"To answer a question: no, we will not be repressing this after the 2000 copies sell out. We have, I think more than any of the other labels, tried to press our titles in sufficient quantities and as a result have over-pressed more often than not...and we're sitting on stock that costs money to store.

I think that a title this high-profile would be re-licensed to another label so as not to go off the market. But that's not something I have any control over."

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=86872&archive=0

Like I said, I am glad it's getting repressed because I can grab it later when I'm more financially comfortable. And if Lukas hadn't definitively stated "We will not be repressing this" then no one, I think, would say he's dishonest (except for a few who always complain).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

double post

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

While I'm happy it's being repressed (I can grab it when I'm more financially sound), I am disappointed by the lack of honesty concerning the release. Reminds me of Bush 88 with 'Read my lips... no new taxes'.

Don't get the comparison. Taxes are, well, taxing on us. How does another pressing do anything but benefit us? (unless someone was depending on it to make a killing on Ebay)

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Like I said, I am glad it's getting repressed because I can grab it later when I'm more financially comfortable. And if Lukas hadn't definitively stated "We will not be repressing this" then no one, I think, would say he's dishonest (except for a few who always complain).

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I don't think Lukas expected this release to sell 2000 copies in two weeks. He was, I think, being questioned by people here about his intentions when he said no repressing.

He simply had a change of mind. That's not a crime.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2012 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Once again I don't know see the problem is. If you already own it then who cares how many copies are pressed? If you don't own it and you do want to own it, you will now have the opportunity to do so without paying ridiculous third party prices.

 
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