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 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Nice to be able to add this to my collection. There are people that weren't around when the first issue was in print, y'know.

This score doesn't honestly need the extra music on album, it's a great presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Less than ten minutes is unreleased, IIRC. But it's such a spare score that not a note of it is wasted; a complete edition would have been lovely. But looking at the positive, an all-time classic is back in print on CD for those who want it.

O.K., but if Varese do not care to expand CHINATOWN with less then ten minutes what will they do with John Williams' DRACULA ?


Dracula has a lot more than 10 minutes unreleased, if I remember correctly.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

How much is actually unreleased? Twenty minutes? Half an hour? Ninety seconds?


The soundtrack album as far as I can recall contains all of the major sequences from the score.

Ford A. Thaxton


I think it does. But there are a couple of short cues that would have been great to have, such as the music for Nicholson driving into an orange grove - fabulous ethereal trumpet and strings cue there, almost like a foreshadowing of Alien.

Nevertheless, this is a major release. It is, after all, one of Goldsmith's very greatest scores, and should be permanently available.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

Definitive. I do love hyperbole as much as the next fellow, but definitive, I should think, would mean complete and this is just the same old soundtrack album we've had for years. How much better can it sound? It's a nice release for those who never managed to get it, but the hyperbole is completely unnecessary.

Agreed, and most disappointing that it is not complete.


It really does not need to complete, the original plays just fine. The whole remastering from every label has me baffled. They say it sounds better, but that is to their ear. So far a majority of the re-released scores that I have purchased, that are "remastered", I find myself playing the original version more or just adding the unreleased cues to the the old release.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Pass I ordered the Alien smile

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Nice to be able to add this to my collection. There are people that weren't around when the first issue was in print, y'know.

This score doesn't honestly need the extra music on album, it's a great presentation.


smile

Ordered!

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

What is the problem? big grin

There is very little missing from the album, and the score plays better under Goldsmith's album assembly than it would as just the film tracks. In the movie there are a number of passages that are just 15-30 seconds. A complete score CD would be nice in the long run but...here's an excellent album that folks won't have to pay tremendous $$ in order to bring home. As much of a JG fanatic as I am, can't find a real reason to carp on this one.

Folks if ya don't have it, buy it ! It is great!

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Some people are talking as if Varese didn't care. Is it that Varese didn't "care" to expand it? Or is it that they were unable to?

If they were able to, I believe they would have done it. I can't see such a "Jerry-is-God" label as Varese Sarabande opting for an album-only release over an expanded release except where it was not possible / too prohibitive.

I think it's something like 18 years since this was deleted so there probably is a whole new generation of soundtrack fans who never had the chance to own it. Bemoaning it is a bit like saying, "Screw you Jack, *I'm* alright."

Put it this way, what if today's announcement was 6 titles and 7 and Chinatown was not released at all. Would that make you feel better?

(Presuming, as I am, that expansion was in some way not possible or too prohibitive.)

Cheers

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

Some people would be disappointed if they shit a gold turd on a day when the price was down a few points.

I never had the chance to get Chinatown the first time around, so thank you, Varese. I want it.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

There is very little missing from the album, and the score plays better under Goldsmith's album assembly than it would as just the film tracks.

or maybe with the songs at the end... I dont know, who cares. It's just chinareissue.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   Jörn   (Member)

TRULY DISSAPOINTED THAT THIS CLASSIC IS NOT EXPANDED!

How long the fans have to wait now for an expanded release?

Not done well Varese!!!

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I agree with Stephen. The negativity on display about this release is misplaced. We don't know what the politics were behind this album; there is a large possibility that it is impossible to release in expanded form for contractual reasons. I know that this was the case with some of Intrada's straight LP reissues; they had a choice to either release the existing album or not release the score at all.

Either way, a potential release of the complete score notwithstanding, at least the original album is back in print. And as many have already pointed out, it's a damn good album in its own right.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

oh varese always working so hard to maintain their reputation as the one label that's a little off. not the least of which is this release showed up later than the others on my computer at least and i had to place another order. an expanded version really would have rocked i must say.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Some people are talking as if Varese didn't care. Is it that Varese didn't "care" to expand it? Or is it that they were unable to?

Well, a few years ago LaLa mentioned that they wanted to do an expanded NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET but a certain label still had an option on this score and so they re-released it ...

NOT expanded.

Now you can guess which label that was big grin

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

if Varese do not care to expand CHINATOWN with less then ten minutes what will they do with John Williams' DRACULA ?

What in the world has one to do with the other? Varèse has released many expanded CDs, and they have done many straight reissues. Why? Because each case is different. They are different contractually, they are different creatively, they are different based on extant materials. If Varèse has or gets the rights to "Dracula" (remember, they only did a licensed reissue of the MCA LP, they never owned the original rights to that one), we have no idea what they'll do -- or be able to do -- with it.

A few years ago, somebody offered me $60 for my "Chinatown" CD (I didn't sell it). I suppose that guy is happy today.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

VARESE THANKS! just perfect... probably how Mr Goldsmith wanted it!

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Pleased for those who missed the original Varese CD. But Varese really needed to release the complete score. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds me but Varese are not the label they once were. Their Club releases used to wow us all. Now it's a non event.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Just in time for the film’s glorious debut on Blu-ray DVD, Jerry Goldsmith’s classic Chinatown returns in this definitive presentation after being out of print for over a decade.

Not expanded, and yet it's "definitive"?

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

One more thing: The "Chinatown" LP was released on ABC Records, which was sold more than three decades ago to MCA Records, now a part of Geffen Records (if I'm keeping that straight). Whatever other music there is presumably owned by Paramount. So a completely separate license would be required for that music, and as we've seen in the past, getting the two parties together onto one CD can be quite a mean feat.

We've seen it happen, and the results can be great. But in this case, the snippets of music missing from the original release are truly minimal. The best people here say about them is "nice to have." This is not a case like "Gremlins" where only highlights had been available, or even "Explorers" where a good half-hour of music had been unreleased. There are a few stray cues here and there, mostly very, very short. (I watched the movie again very recently, and didn't hear anything I regretted was missing from the album.) So if Varèse could have licensed these additional cues, the question is what would it have cost, in exchange for what value?

When FSM opted to simply reissue the album from "The Accidental Tourist" without expanding it, did anybody here say "Well, I guess that means no expanded 'Days of Heaven'"? I don't think so. It seemed a logical way to do that one. This one does, too.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2012 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

I have the original Varese release.....but the new cd is "remastered".

 
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