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 Posted:   May 18, 2012 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   HM1313   (Member)

Used CD (Casablanca/PolyGram 1984):
$29.99 - $115.85

For fans who really want it (I assume you've ck'd your local library) ... avoid the "REMASTERED European CD" I have this and am extrmly disappointed: no addit. tracks, and the audio definitely does not sound better than orig. CD/Lp.

Come on La La Land/Intrada ... help us out wink

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2012 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Yes, that's a great score. I'd buy it.

Don't you have it??


Nope. Only the theme.


Keep in mind: the THEME song -- the one that got/gets the most attn and radio play -- is NOT by Faltermeyer.. it's by Giorgio Moroder.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088256/soundtrack
"Thief of Hearts"; Performed by Melissa Manchester; Lyrics by Keith Forsey and Melissa Manchester; Music by Giorgio Moroder
I'm a Moroder fan, and the song is not bad. But the Faltermeyer stuff on the rest of the album is significantly better. The inclusion of Moroder in this ST may partly have been done for marketing purposes -- prhps "softening" the introduction of HF into the ST market/industry. Whatever works!


Well, Jerry Bruckheimer had "worked" with Moroder on American Gigolo, Cat People and Flashdance, so I guess it wasn't too strange that GM showed up on Thief Of Hearts too.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2012 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

This score wouldn't be worth the money and time for those in the 'profit' industry because it's too obscure (as amazing of a score that it is for us electronic aficionados). I would love to see this score expanded and released..but I understand the business end of it. By the time you sell 2000 copies you probably aren't making much to make the trouble worth it and I can't see TOH selling much more than 1500 copies.

Moroder's Scarface, on the other hand, is a producer's dream being ignored for reasons I'd LOVE to know because it's money just waiting to be made. SCARFACE would warrant a 10000 pressing, considering the demographic that has made the film so iconic is quite vast....far more vast than the Star Trek Goldsmith community. Of course you'd have to go outside the film score community to promote it.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Music-wise...does Scarface have a larger fan base than Star Trek the Motion Picture? Let YouTube give us a hint:

Star Trek main theme.

by iangis0303 | 4 years ago | 288,411 views

Tony's Theme (Scarface) - Giorgio Moroder

by Par1drimes | 4 years ago | 1,106,010 views


My math says Scarface would make more money than STTMP. It sure would be a lot less expensive to produce too. maybe they DO hate synth scores....and profit as well.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2012 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   moroder20   (Member)

This score wouldn't be worth the money and time for those in the 'profit' industry because it's too obscure (as amazing of a score that it is for us electronic aficionados). I would love to see this score expanded and released..but I understand the business end of it. By the time you sell 2000 copies you probably aren't making much to make the trouble worth it and I can't see TOH selling much more than 1500 copies.

Moroder's Scarface, on the other hand, is a producer's dream being ignored for reasons I'd LOVE to know because it's money just waiting to be made. SCARFACE would warrant a 10000 pressing, considering the demographic that has made the film so iconic is quite vast....far more vast than the Star Trek Goldsmith community. Of course you'd have to go outside the film score community to promote it.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Music-wise...does Scarface have a larger fan base than Star Trek the Motion Picture? Let YouTube give us a hint:

Star Trek main theme.

by iangis0303 | 4 years ago | 288,411 views

Tony's Theme (Scarface) - Giorgio Moroder

by Par1drimes | 4 years ago | 1,106,010 views


My math says Scarface would make more money than STTMP. It sure would be a lot less expensive to produce too. maybe they DO hate synth scores....and profit as well.


I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU
I DON'T UNDERTAND WHY IT HASN'T BE DONE YET ...

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2012 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   HM1313   (Member)

I don't know. What do you guys think? Music-wise...does Scarface have a larger fan base than Star Trek the Motion Picture?
ST-TMP got a decent 2-CD treatment several years ago. That one will do for me (as far as Goldsmith, i'd rather have his Hollowman score expanded).

Scarface and TOH have never been given their due (no ... the 2003 revamped (= re-mixed/re-scored?) Scarface does not count --- it was far worse than the orig. CD which, TTBOMK, was only released in Europe??)

As far as Scarface ... that exit title would, alone, be worth the $$.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   moroder20   (Member)

It would be great a release of SCARFACE in complete form
2cd original score + original songs with a big booklet page for 2013 (30th anniversary)

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

" Of course you'd have to go outside the film score community to promote it."


Dan,

That's your reason in a nutshell. The amount of money they'd have to invest to not only promote but distribute this would put it in a whole other league--not to mention song rights.

ST:TMP is going to involve many expenses, but if in order to get to its buyers the producers would have to invest the amount of money it would take to get a SCARFACE disc to its audience AND promote it (not to mention that most of the audience would be for the songs, and the potential buyers wouldn't want to be paying for two discs of score to get them), the expenses are going to skyrocket.

A score-only set is even more convoluted, finance-wise, I'd bet.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)


Star Trek main theme. by iangis0303 | 4 years ago | 288,411 views

Tony's Theme (Scarface) - Giorgio Moroder by Par1drimes | 4 years ago | 1,106,010 views


Wow, that's a real eye-opener. Labels, take note!

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

Good taste is always in the minority.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Good taste is always in the minority.

There's no such thing as "good" and "bad" taste.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

Oh, yes there is. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Oh, yes there is. big grin

Only insecure listeners need to categorize music like "I have good taste, you have bad taste".

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

Oh, yes there is. big grin

Don't be hatin cuz more people would rather listen to Moroder than Goldsmith. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

Again: Vox populi vox Rindvieh. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2012 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

double posting

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2012 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   HM1313   (Member)

I wrote to HF via email avail on his official site. If you want re-release, maybe an email and/or tradit. letter-writing campaign will prompt a release:

http://www.haroldfaltermeyer.net/home.html

Contact:
Agent:
CAA
Brian Loucks
2000 Avenue of the stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
German office:
Wasserburgerlandstrasse 16
85598 Baldham, Germany
info@faltermeyer.com

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2012 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

To each it's own but what nut job is comparing some fly by night hack like moroder to GOLDSMITH,yeah right my grandmother sang better then Mario Lanza, and don't you know Bobby Murcer was a better hitter then Babe Ruth, how far can one stretch the statement to each one's own, as someone said last week, anybody can say anything but does that make it right.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2012 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

I agree on the whole Scarface issue, what's the hold up with that score? I have a feeling it'll come from Intrada very soon. (Just instincts and wishful thinking talking.)

And about Harold Faltermeyer, I've been falling in love with his scores all over again lately. Going to check out Thief of Hearts for the first time real soon.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2012 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   HM1313   (Member)

And about Harold Faltermeyer, I've been falling in love with his scores all over again lately. Going to check out Thief of Hearts for the first time real soon.

You can watch the whole, uninterrupted film on YT (see link in prev post). The movie has many excellent cues that unfortunately didn't make it to OST. The OST also has slightly diff. versions of movie cues--some, e.g., are a bit more disco-ized.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2012 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Kram   (Member)

Superb score. The film is very good, too, and is the one film Jerry Bruckheimer never mentions.

Many great cues not on the released album including one hypnotic cue where the camera cranes down on the actress driving to the waterfront.

I've never understood why particularly brilliant cues get left off album releases; the SCARFACE main title is a prime example of that. Why would you not include the title theme?

 
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