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So is HATARI a limited edition?
Yes. It is part of the Special Collection.
According to Intrada: "Available while quantities and interest remain." Intrada made it clear some time back that they were no longer doing limited editions.
In a way they are limited, just not to a predetermined number. When interest wanes, they'll stop making copies and the CD will go OOP.
It is not possible to license a soundtrack without some form of pre-determined number - because the licensing cost is based on that number. With some studios you have leeway, but there is a top number for a certain price - then the price goes up. So, you can be sure there is a number - you just don't know what it is  For example, if interest waned at 500 copies sold, do you honestly think that CD will go OOP? Highly doubtful.
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Limited or not, I've ordered a copy (with Charade).
For me, these are the best of the year's releases so far!.
Never expected 60s Mancini original tracks to be made availabe.
Almost everything is possible 
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May 30, 2012 - 12:56 PM
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Ron Pulliam
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I have never ever understood ths obsession with limited editions. The main reason to buy a soundtrack is the music. Why care about how many there are? Collecting for collectings sake reduces buying cds to just that: buying some plastic.
Why care how many are left? Because small labels have been "contracting" to press a specific number of CDs. And because small labels cannot afford to have hundreds of extras on hand (after they've stopped selling), it's better for them to limit the quantities. How many they contract for is a guessing game. Should they press 3000? 1,500? 1000?* A bad decision on either side of a number leads to a no-win situation for the label (at one time, they paid fees for specific numbers...and sometimes, the number they thought they could sell was over one number and well-under the next possible. In other words, you could contract for, say 1,000. The next "possible" number was 1,500. Sometimes you can sell 1,500. Sometimes, you can sell 1,010). It's a crap shoot. It was better for the labels to play it safe. And, because folks "worried" about not being able to get one later on, all the orders came in quickly and titles began selling out. And that's how the rumor began that it was deliberate and aimed at creating an inflated seller's market (which it did, but that was not the goal of the labels).
[Speculative rumination follows]:
I'm guessing not more than 100 people (give or take 50) ever missed out on getting something that had been pressed in limited numbers ** and that Intrada worked out a deal to stop "limiting" how many they would sell -- possibly, if the licensor agreed to allow extras up to a certain number, then Intrada could probably press extras above a certain number. I'm guessing that if the extras exceed a specific number, they'll have to pay more to the licensee.
* (Sometimes, 5,000 have to be pressed contractually...and that can become a losing proposition for a label).
** There are exceptions to everything. I think FSM probably encountered a few, including "The Omega Man" which they reissued.
(None of the above is gospel. It's my perception based on many different things I've read through the years -- here and on other forums).
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I think it's time to speak up when a release like this - a MONUMENTAL RELEASE LIKE THIS - an unbelievably important and fantastic release like this has twenty-four responses and 1500 views. What is WRONG with people? I understand the love for all thing Star Trek, but a thread (I don't know, it's maybe the fifth thread already) about a screening of the film in LA has 32,000 views and hundreds of posts - that's great and expected and that release, I'm sure, will be something special.
But that has been out before and available for years. This release has never been available before, not one second of it. It's prime Mancini - how many have been waiting YEARS for the original tracks of prime Mancini to be released? Not only this, but Charade - at least the latter is closing in on 3,000 views and a few more responses.
This release (along with Charade) should be getting MUCH more attention. Are we really through with the 1950s and 1960s? Is that how far we've devolved in film music fandom? Are we really now only interested in the 1970s forward (and not even the 1970s for the most part, unless, of course, it's Star Trek or Star Wars or one of those). Will the 1980s now give way to only interest in the 1990s forward.
I shudder and I worry for releases like this - because if they don't ultimately sell enough to warrant doing them, then they will most assuredly stop doing them. These aren't cheap to do.
I encourage any and every fan of film music to support this and Charade (and, for that matter, any of these titles - including the recent great releases by LLL of Rosemary's Baby and Mommie Dearest) - please do not let this hobby become only about Holy Grails of a handful of titles.
I haz spoken.
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May 30, 2012 - 5:11 PM
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Bond1965
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I think it's time to speak up when a release like this - a MONUMENTAL RELEASE LIKE THIS - an unbelievably important and fantastic release like this has twenty-four responses and 1500 views. What is WRONG with people? I understand the love for all thing Star Trek, but a thread (I don't know, it's maybe the fifth thread already) about a screening of the film in LA has 32,000 views and hundreds of posts - that's great and expected and that release, I'm sure, will be something special.
But that has been out before and available for years. This release has never been available before, not one second of it. It's prime Mancini - how many have been waiting YEARS for the original tracks of prime Mancini to be released? Not only this, but Charade - at least the latter is closing in on 3,000 views and a few more responses.
This release (along with Charade) should be getting MUCH more attention. Are we really through with the 1950s and 1960s? Is that how far we've devolved in film music fandom? Are we really now only interested in the 1970s forward (and not even the 1970s for the most part, unless, of course, it's Star Trek or Star Wars or one of those). Will the 1980s now give way to only interest in the 1990s forward.
I shudder and I worry for releases like this - because if they don't ultimately sell enough to warrant doing them, then they will most assuredly stop doing them. These aren't cheap to do.
I encourage any and every fan of film music to support this and Charade (and, for that matter, any of these titles - including the recent great releases by LLL of Rosemary's Baby and Mommie Dearest) - please do not let this hobby become only about Holy Grails of a handful of titles.
I haz spoken.
As someone who has taken a chance on a less well known Mancini score (MARRIED TO IT) as well as releasing amazing scores for TWO FOR THE SEESAW and LOVE WITH THE PROPER STRANGER, I applaud your response here Bruce. It's shouldn't be all about STAR TREK and other fanboy scores. (Not that there is anything wrong with those.)
James
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There should be as much excitement about these two Intrada releases as there is for the new even-more-expanded issue (of the previosly issued LP and expanded versions) "Star Trek: The Motion Picture".
It needn't be the same "kind" of excitement...but for me, the disappointment I felt when I read that I had to wait until June 5 to order the even-more-expanded "ST:TMP" was more than offset by the sheer thrill of learning that "Charade" and "Hatari" were being issued as "original" soundtracks for the first time...and in stereo (for "Hatari", "mostly").
I can't wait to get my hands on them and play them. They shipped last night. Oh, boy!!!!
Why shouldn't it be the same kind of excitement? Sorry, but I feel Charade and Hatari are the equal of ANY scores and given that they are world premiere releases, I personally think there should be MORE excitement, but that's just me. I'm excited about Star Trek - classic Goldsmith in what will hopefully be a great presentation, is always welcome. But so are these and to my mind they are of equal importance.
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But "Baby Elephant Walk" is possibly my single most disliked piece of soundtrack music from any era, from any composer, for any film... so the rest of the CD will have to be pretty good to make up for it!
Why is that? Care to elaborate? Just curious.
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Mine have both arrived. Very happy to have Charade.
But "Baby Elephant Walk" has always been one of my single most disliked pieces of soundtrack music from any era, from any composer, for any film, so the rest of the CD will have to be pretty good to make up for it!
Since the rest of the CD is 90% other music that is not Baby Elephant Walk, I suspect you're safe
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Are we really through with the 1950s and 1960s? ... I shudder and I worry for releases like this - because if they don't ultimately sell enough to warrant doing them, then they will most assuredly stop doing them.
That is a scary thought, Bruce. As Gene Lees wrote as a postscript in Mancini's autobiography:
"After you pass a certain age, you find the ranks of your friends are thinning. Even your icons... You come face to face with mortality, including your own, and it alters your perspective. I find myself saying that they've cut down the mountains and forests of my youth, leaving me in a unfamiliar territory."
I'm in my 60s, and Intrada's announcement of CHARADE and HATARI! made me ecstatic. Especially after just finishing reading John Caps' wonderful new Mancini biography and reliving those years in which each and every Mancini album that came along was a welcome friend, these two new releases made me feel young again.
I dread to think that maybe there may soon come a day when Mancini's musical legacy will be largely forgotten.
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