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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2012 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

The Rosenman score leaves a lot to be desired, a total bore, and not an iota of western feel or Americana.

Well that is hardly surprising given the film it was composed for, which is a pretty dark and nasty piece of work.

The fact they tossed the score just tells me even after all of these years that someone saw the film very differently then whoever hired Rosenman and gave him his marching orders.

I've haven't got the CD yet, so I don't know how much detail it goes into as to what happened. Given that most of the folks who worked on this aren't around any longer, I'm curious to read it.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I only just got around to getting this (I'm a Goldsmith completist, after all). Haven't had a chance to listen yet but I was wondering if I could ask a favor of someone: I remember that for Intrada's issue of White Fang, some kind person with Photoshop made a version of the cover for the Zimmer score only, and a version for the Poledouris score only. I was happy to use those versions for my iTunes cover flow, to deliniate the two albums. If someone might be willing to do the same for this album I'd greatly appreciate it. One cover would have the text "Composed and Conducted by Leonard Rosenman" and the other "Composed by Jerry Goldsmith Conducted by Lionel Newman" -- if you're able to keep the same font as Intrada used that'd be great!

Hmmm...maybe I should post this in the Custom Covers thread instead...but I figured it couldn't hurt to bump this topic.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2014 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

AVAILABLE UNTIL JUNE 2 2014 OR WHILE SUPPLIES LAST!

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

being a huge James Coburn fan i have always wanted to see this film
but
everyone who has seen it has told me it is a total disaster!

your thoughts,,,,,
bruce


Well , i'ze finally done sawed it...
Yeah, its pretty lame.

Sadly, there was potential for a decent "end of the west' adventure .
Two protagonists who have been out of circulation for two decades, pitted against each other in a different age.
But, except for Heston's pedantic speeches about how he doesn't fit in this modern world, blah blah blah blah.... that theme is pretty well ignored. And, Coburn's character is given vvirtually no backstory despite his complex background!

brm

ps when the main title music came on i gots really excited cuz i recognized it immediatley as Goldsmith!!!! LOL!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Ok! Ok!
we get it; you disagree

sheesh!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Mark5760   (Member)

I don't know why it repeated.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

Heston was eXcelllllllllllllllllent in WILL PENNY!!

nOT SO MUCH, here (and that awful hair piece!)
The film also lacked the little details that are important to westerns.
For example Coburn's gleaming white capped teeth. They must have a pretty good dentist in Yuma Prison - LOL!

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I have to disagree. I enjoyed the Last Hard Men. I thought Heston was wonderful as Sam Burgade, and that Coburn was excellent as the convict who sought vengeance from the man who captured him and sent him to prison. Is is it a classic western? No Are any of the performances Oscar worthy? Of course not. I just thought any time Heston appeared in a western he had a natural talent as a cowboy from his role in Will Penny all the way to his cameo as Henry Hooker in Tombstone. Clearly, the borrowed Goldsmith score adds rather than detracts from the film itself.

Heston was eXcelllllllllllllllllent in WILL PENNY!!

nOT SO MUCH, here (and that awful hair piece!)
The film also lacked the little details that are important to westerns.
For example Coburn's gleaming white capped teeth. They must have a pretty good dentist in Yuma Prison - LOL!


Yeah, cause in every other Western movie ever made, none of the actors have white teeth, right? Talk about a nitpick!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

That movie.....it just makes me want to go play all my Goldsmith westerns, or watch
the films where they belong. Not a bad thing after all maybe?

The Intrada is a REALLY fascinating disc, for the notes on the history of this score(s)
alone. I was really let down by the Rosenman for some reason, being a big fan of his work....
it's why we keep EVERYthing, who knows when I'll try it again and like it!

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2015 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

There are a few nice cues in the Rosenman score, points where he is able to let loose a bit and be more melodically broad. The cue names escape me now. The Goldsmith section is fascinating for those early re-recordings of his Western scores, conducted by the legend Lionel Newman, such a rare treat to hear the music reinterpreted in the days before now, where they are plenty of re-recordings everywhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2016 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I only just got around to getting this (I'm a Goldsmith completist, after all). Haven't had a chance to listen yet but I was wondering if I could ask a favor of someone: I remember that for Intrada's issue of White Fang, some kind person with Photoshop made a version of the cover for the Zimmer score only, and a version for the Poledouris score only. I was happy to use those versions for my iTunes cover flow, to deliniate the two albums. If someone might be willing to do the same for this album I'd greatly appreciate it. One cover would have the text "Composed and Conducted by Leonard Rosenman" and the other "Composed by Jerry Goldsmith Conducted by Lionel Newman" -- if you're able to keep the same font as Intrada used that'd be great!

Hmmm...maybe I should post this in the Custom Covers thread instead...but I figured it couldn't hurt to bump this topic.

Yavar


Not sure if it's any use now as I'm a bit late to the party, but below are the results of a couple of mins in Photoshop.





 
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