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 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

The previously missing cue sounds great--maybe there's some confusion here because of the description of the source: this is not a track that includes sound effects, it's music only, and it's a great Goldsmith action cue that we've never had before, so I am mystified that someone would actually take umbrage at this and start lecturing Mr. Kimmel about how to produce a CD.
Normally I'm not in favor of including "tracked" cues but this one actually underscores what is arguably the climactic action in the movie, and I think it's a fun little edit of two cues and adds to the flow of action on this album. For those who are offended at the idea of including some bonus material you're welcome to stick to the LLL release but I see no reason to sneer at Bruce Kimmel for producing a different album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Is it just me, or do other people think that a large percentage of Jerry Goldsmith fans are mentally unstable?

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Is it just me, or do other people think that a large percentage of Jerry Goldsmith fans are mentally unstable?

Oh, yes! YOR is very mentally unstable! And proud of it!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Complaints because an extra cue was added? To many notes? WTF!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Exactly, what's wrong with bonus tracks?.

There's nothing wrong with "bonus" tracks, as long as they follow the main program. Inserting them into the flow of the score is... icky.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Mister L   (Member)

Is it just me, or do other people think that a large percentage of Jerry Goldsmith fans are mentally unstable?

You are right. I for example, won´t allow my friends to touch my JG at 20th fox box with their
dirty sweaty hands. In fact, it´s more like a Spinal Tap-thing, i prefer they even don´t look at it. And if my friends start to criticize Jerry´s music, i feel i should punch them. Unstable?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Complaints because an extra cue was added? To many notes? WTF!

One extra cue that Goldsmith that was created editorially, and one that's from an inferior source. No problems though, I'm sure people will like it just fine.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

To be honest, I suspect a bit of "fan's internal conflict" behind it:

(Fan's internal dialogue):

If I don't get this Kritzerland edition, then other folks get to own music from this score which I don't have ... but if I do get it, that's more $ spent on CDs ths month (ouch!) and there really isn't that much more to this edition ... but if I don't buy it today, it'll be gone tomorrow ... SHAZBAT!!

Maybe the way people sometimes deal with that kind of internal conflict is to complain that they were presented with it.

My philosophy: all soundtrack releasing is good but you don't have to buy everything.

My suggestion is this: just make your decision about whether you're in or out and move on.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

If I don't get this Kritzerland edition, then other folks get to own music from this score which I don't have ... but if I do get it, that's more $ spent on CDs ths month (ouch!) and there really isn't that much more to this edition ... but if I don't buy it today, it'll be gone tomorrow ... SHAZBAT!!

And that's the exact dilemma that certain labels thrive on!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

And that's the exact dilemma that certain labels thrive on!

True. But you/we/I still have a choice about whether we play the hamster on the wheel or not.

This is a fantastic release for people who don't own the previous edition of this score, and maybe even a fantastic release for those who do.

And for those of us who don't feel inclined to but the score again for the new material, that's fine.

We can make these choices without complaining, I feel — no need to kick up a fuss.

(Complaining about a botched job is one thing. Complaining that someone released something is something else.)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

If you've already got the first edition, you're spending $20.00(plus postage) for a half a cue. I love Goldsmith, but I'll leave this new edition to the people who missed the original.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Complaining about a botched job is one thing. Complaining that someone released something is something else.

I agree. But (speaking theoretically) botched jobs can be artistic as well as technical..

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Mr Kimmel, will you consider releasing more Goldsmith, say, the River Wild, Take a Hard Ride, Magic??

Please consider releasing Kritzerland's first Morricone too.


We're looking into a lot of things. smile


Bruce,

Would a certain Elmer score from the early 70s be one of those titles?

John.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Scorettaja   (Member)

I don't have the previous LLL release so this is very welcome. I have not seen the film but that edited bonus track sounds very interesting.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Mister L   (Member)

I don't have the previous LLL release so this is very welcome. I have not seen the film but that edited bonus track sounds very interesting.

I think you´ll find the score quite good, my friend. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Whole hearted thanks, Bruce Kimmel - with your wise decision you saved me $20 in these hard times!

A satisfied owner of the LLL release!


P.S.: I'm looking forward to your next Goldsmith project - "Take a Hard Ride" would fill a gap in my collection... wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Scorettaja   (Member)

I don't have the previous LLL release so this is very welcome. I have not seen the film but that edited bonus track sounds very interesting.

I think you´ll find the score quite good, my friend. smile


Samples sounded very promising.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Mister L   (Member)

I don't have the previous LLL release so this is very welcome. I have not seen the film but that edited bonus track sounds very interesting.

I think you´ll find the score quite good, my friend. smile


Samples sounded very promising.


Main title is one of Jerry´s all time best, IMO. In fact, it won´t go away from your head!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Mr Kimmel, will you consider releasing more Goldsmith, say, the River Wild, Take a Hard Ride, Magic??

Please consider releasing Kritzerland's first Morricone too.


We're looking into a lot of things. smile


Does that include Georges Delerue?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Complaints because an extra cue was added? To many notes? WTF!

One extra cue that Goldsmith that was created editorially, and one that's from an inferior source. No problems though, I'm sure people will like it just fine.


You keep saying "inferior source" - you haven't an idea if it's inferior or not - you haven't heard it. Jeff Bond has - he has said it is most definitely not an inferior source and it isn't. The music track was in great shape and had excellent fidelity. Why don't you stop now, because you're looking more than a little ridiculous by this point. And it isn't the first time, is it? Is it?

And yes, I do want to go there. You know, when Ford A. Thaxton produced the previous release, he found a cue that wasn't used in the film. He tacked it onto the front of another cue IN THE ALBUM SEQUENCE, because he was the producer of the album and he liked it there. You may as well trash that La La Land CD right now, because Jerry didn't write that twenty second cue to go there.

Oh, well.

 
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