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Oct 15, 2015 - 9:20 PM
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I was listening to the suite of SAYONARA on RCA today, and was reminded of what a masterpiece this score is. And to think that along with SAYONARA in 1957, PEYTON PLACE and THE SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS were also released with great Waxman scores...
Wow, what a year! What a decade the 1950s were for Waxman, from one amazing score to the next. I'd go for definitive editions of all three from '57, but since SAYONARA is on my mind today, it gets the spotlight. 
Here's hoping along with everyone...
This one is complicated but we hope to have something worked out in 2016. I had all the music elements at one point but the project was put on hold.
Hemingway is a no go. 
As for Peyton the only thing we have is the original lp release. Sadly nothing else exists. We will most likely drop the project unless you guys really want a new version of this cd with no extra music but with Titus artwork.
As for St. Louis...
MV
MV, MV, MV... I'm going to be a calm dude, let things play out on your end and such, but if you're typing what I think you're typing about SPIRIT (and I sure hope you are)...
Great news on SAYONARA, too bad with HEMINGWAY. That's about the only available at some point Waxman I've yet to track down (too expensive). Anything you're at liberty to mention as to why it's a no go?
And I would definitely go for PEYTON PLACE as is with the Titus touch, and I hope others would, too. It's an important score by Waxman and is deserving of another release.
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We could still do Hemingway as well but it would be the lp master. Nothing new added just like Peyton. Would 1500 of you buy it? I need to commit to 2500 units with Sony Music and at least 1500 units would get us around the break even point.
And no Sony does not have anything either. We have checked out unmentionables and the quality is just awful and not worth releasing.
MV
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Not to mention, of course, a hopefully complete NUN'S STORY as well...
At least PEYTON PLACE was rerecorded by Varese some years ago, and that's still floating around.
I'd love a legit complete SAYONARA.
(But then, I'd love a legit complete mostly anything... especially HELEN OF TROY... hint hint hint)
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Oct 16, 2015 - 11:11 AM
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If anyone has read this relatively short thread through, it is both elating and depressing with regard to the new releases or non-releases of our classic old Waxman scores again. But it sounds like MV is working on things as best he can, and I suspect that sooner or later we'll have something new (old?) for our music libraries, which is great. I'll buy any of these updated CDs he cares to release.
If only all film composers could have been as obsessive-compulsive as Max Steiner and saved---on whatever medium they could---the large percentage of the scores they composed in the Golden Age, we'd have a lot more left of our film music heritage. Ah, well.....we're lucky we have what we have.....but it would also be much better if today's younger collectors cared enough about the Golden Age to join with us old-timers and buy at least 1500 copies of the several thousand other unreleased scores that we know still reside in the vaults---at least in the old MGM, Paramount, Steiner, Korngold, Republic and Fox libraries. It's sad that we know the material is there in first-generation quality, but likely deteriorating day-by-day, and we'll rarely get a chance to hear it, if at all.
Unfortunately, this thread is sad for a totally unrelated other reason, too.
It appears to be the first time that John Archibald reached out to then-relatively-new FSM member, Ron Hardcastle, in September, 2013, to make his acquaintance. They DID, in fact, become friends and John commented on it elsewhere on this board at one point.
We never know what will happen in life, but even with that it came as a shock to me and to many others when we found out that Ron had died in July of 2014---less than a year after his comments were posted on this thread.
Ron's posts were always exuberant and knowledgeable---he loved filmmusic---and often very interesting even when he wasn't talking about filmmusic. I miss his posts to this day---even though I never met the man.
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Oct 16, 2015 - 2:37 PM
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It's appropriate you mention Ron Hardcastle, manderley, as when I searched for a thread on SAYONARA, his comment therein brought to my mind his passing and his often engaging, knowledgeable postings. I'm still a young member here of almost a year, though a long time if occasional lurker, and one of Ron's vivid contributions that impressed me was his many comments on EMPIRE OF THE SUN. It was interesting to read how he traced the trajectory of his own appreciation of the score with the recent LLL release.
I'm in my mid thirties, but I was introduced to many older films at a young age, and have continued to seek them out. Time always makes what is today what was yesterday, so I pay attention and even like the music being produced now, but I don't delegate what came before as old fashioned and therefore simply dismiss it summarily.
Waxman is a special case with me in that when I was a teenager, it was by my father suggesting I watch NORTH BY NORTHWEST and then VERTIGO that led me to looking into other Hitchcock films, one of the first being REBECCA. So that film was my introduction to Waxman, who I'd never heard of until then, and whose music means so much to me now.
As I said before, HEMINGWAY is the lone Waxman score on CD I've yet to track down, but even should I do so, I'd eagerly snatch up a fresh upgrade. Like ELEPHANT WALK, which I'm happy to have seen released by Kritzerland what was possible, I agree it's sad nothing else of HEMINGWAY or PEYTON PLACE seems to exit but the original LP, but I'll support a straight reissue nonetheless. Something is better than nothing. It does make me wonder about the existence of elements for scores like THE FURIES, THE INDIAN FIGHTER, MIRACLE IN THE RAIN, RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP, etc. Even a lot of Waxman 40s scores at Warner's and Paramount, but hopefully it's not only possible at some point, but I hope others have an interest. If it doesn't sell, though, what can you do ultimately...
But I'll remain optimistic.
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And no Sony does not have anything either. We have checked out unmentionables and the quality is just awful and not worth releasing.
MV
I'd take awful-sounding bonus material over no bonus material at all. Remember that even if the m&e is the only thing that is extant - it's not available to the general public and thus a worthy additional to a release.
Maye Joe Caps has better sources for these scores...
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Yeah, I'd tack the poorer-sounding stuff on the end and give a disclaimer about it, but I still think a lot of people would be enticed by the extra music. I must say that this Waxman on LLL news is extremely exciting and I'm surprised MV has told us this much! I don't know Sayonara but I'm interested from all the praise here. I do know Spirit of St. Louis...and holy crap an official complete release would be amazing. What a relief Varese doesn't hold it in perpetuity.
Yavar
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Oct 16, 2015 - 7:12 PM
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edwzoomom
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If anyone has read this relatively short thread through, it is both elating and depressing with regard to the new releases or non-releases of our classic old Waxman scores again. But it sounds like MV is working on things as best he can, and I suspect that sooner or later we'll have something new (old?) for our music libraries, which is great. I'll buy any of these updated CDs he cares to release.
If only all film composers could have been as obsessive-compulsive as Max Steiner and saved---on whatever medium they could---the large percentage of the scores they composed in the Golden Age, we'd have a lot more left of our film music heritage. Ah, well.....we're lucky we have what we have.....but it would also be much better if today's younger collectors cared enough about the Golden Age to join with us old-timers and buy at least 1500 copies of the several thousand other unreleased scores that we know still reside in the vaults---at least in the old MGM, Paramount, Steiner, Korngold, Republic and Fox libraries. It's sad that we know the material is there in first-generation quality, but likely deteriorating day-by-day, and we'll rarely get a chance to hear it, if at all.
Unfortunately, this thread is sad for a totally unrelated other reason, too.
It appears to be the first time that John Archibald reached out to then-relatively-new FSM member, Ron Hardcastle, in September, 2013, to make his acquaintance. They DID, in fact, become friends and John commented on it elsewhere on this board at one point.
We never know what will happen in life, but even with that it came as a shock to me and to many others when we found out that Ron had died in July of 2014---less than a year after his comments were posted on this thread.
Ron's posts were always exuberant and knowledgeable---he loved filmmusic---and often very interesting even when he wasn't talking about filmmusic. I miss his posts to this day---even though I never met the man.
So well said. Thank you.
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Oct 16, 2015 - 7:13 PM
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It's appropriate you mention Ron Hardcastle, manderley, as when I searched for a thread on SAYONARA, his comment therein brought to my mind his passing and his often engaging, knowledgeable postings. I'm still a young member here of almost a year, though a long time if occasional lurker, and one of Ron's vivid contributions that impressed me was his many comments on EMPIRE OF THE SUN. It was interesting to read how he traced the trajectory of his own appreciation of the score with the recent LLL release.
I'm in my mid thirties, but I was introduced to many older films at a young age, and have continued to seek them out. Time always makes what is today what was yesterday, so I pay attention and even like the music being produced now, but I don't delegate what came before as old fashioned and therefore simply dismiss it summarily.
Waxman is a special case with me in that when I was a teenager, it was by my father suggesting I watch NORTH BY NORTHWEST and then VERTIGO that led me to looking into other Hitchcock films, one of the first being REBECCA. So that film was my introduction to Waxman, who I'd never heard of until then, and whose music means so much to me now.
As I said before, HEMINGWAY is the lone Waxman score on CD I've yet to track down, but even should I do so, I'd eagerly snatch up a fresh upgrade. Like ELEPHANT WALK, which I'm happy to have seen released by Kritzerland what was possible, I agree it's sad nothing else of HEMINGWAY or PEYTON PLACE seems to exit but the original LP, but I'll support a straight reissue nonetheless. Something is better than nothing. It does make me wonder about the existence of elements for scores like THE FURIES, THE INDIAN FIGHTER, MIRACLE IN THE RAIN, RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP, etc. Even a lot of Waxman 40s scores at Warner's and Paramount, but hopefully it's not only possible at some point, but I hope others have an interest. If it doesn't sell, though, what can you do ultimately...
But I'll remain optimistic.
Young but wise...
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