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 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I finally understand why that Little Romance score won over ST TMP- it was simple mass marketing by Bruce. The TMP score was robbed of the Oscar because of mass marketing.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Very interesting! Thank you, Bruce.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Wasn't Dub Taylor one of the folks behind Take Two Records?

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I finally understand why that Little Romance score won over ST TMP- it was simple mass marketing by Bruce. The TMP score was robbed of the Oscar because of mass marketing.

Wasn't a similar tactic used in preceding years by, Tiomkin and others? And now it is more of a widespread thing, what with the 'for your consideration' private CDs for Acadamy members.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I finally understand why that Little Romance score won over ST TMP- it was simple mass marketing by Bruce. The TMP score was robbed of the Oscar because of mass marketing.

Wasn't a similar tactic used in preceding years by, Tiomkin and others? And now it is more of a widespread thing, what with the 'for your consideration' private CDs for Acadamy members.


yeah, that Romance beat TMP just tells you how legit the Oscars for scores are, or are not. TMP is a so much more complex, massive, interesting and better work. The Oscars have pretty much been undermined in the last few decades. Even the best picture award is pretty bizarre usually to me. I mean, what was with The Artist for best picture? I mean, that was the best film for the entire year?

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Yes, Bruce Kimmel is the reason why ST:TMP went away empty-headed.

In my next life, I'm gonna find him and... big grin


*shakes fist* KIMMELLLLL!!!!!!!!


Yes, but ST:TMP was (is) a real turkey, & that shouldn't make a difference when it comes to voting for the music score, but it probably does.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Bruce,
Thank you for this. Having lived some of this in a different industry, hearing this is inspirational. Very balanced and not bitter approach and a great story of who did what and how it gets lost. Enjoyed reading

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Wasn't Dub Taylor one of the folks behind Take Two Records?

Is this the same Dub Taylor who acted in a zillion movies? Nah, it couldn't be....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_Taylor

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Wasn't Dub Taylor one of the folks behind Take Two Records?

Is this the same Dub Taylor who acted in a zillion movies? Nah, it couldn't be....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_Taylor


No. This Mr. Taylor was significantly younger and used to own CD Banzai over on 3rd & Sweetzer in Los Angeles. It was one of the first CD only record stores in L.A. in the late 80s and a great source for lots of rare imports.

James

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I finally understand why that Little Romance score won over ST TMP- it was simple mass marketing by Bruce. The TMP score was robbed of the Oscar because of mass marketing.

Well the way I remembered it, Jerry's absolutely great score could not prevent the STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE from being pretty dreary, both for the genral public and an amazing amount of Trekkies. That is why they dumped it for the second film, to distance it from the first. While A LITTLE ROMANCE, a modest box office success, owes about a third of it's effectiveness to Delerue's score. He benefiitted from a Golden opportunity that is given a composer when a story is told from a child's point of view. There is a freer reign given and it opens up the child in the composer, which always results in special work. To this day most people rank this film over TREK, see Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB. That AND Mr. Kimmel's mass marketing won the Oscar.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

While I disagree with Morricone over the reason Goldsmith was not used for the second "Trek" (I'm pretty certain that was a budgetary choice), I think he's otherwise correct. Scores for bloated, unloved films based on television series do not generally win Oscars, whether the music is deserving or not. My only issue with Delerue's win was how much of that should have gone to Vivaldi, though I certainly can't begrudge a win for the great Delerue.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Yes, let's see this positively: Bruce Kimmel gave Georges Delerue an Academy Award. The great Frenchman had lost three times and of course he wouldn't stand a chance a few years later with his "Agnes" against "Out of Africa".
After all, a win for that score for the "Vivaldi of film music" seems appropriate, doesn't it? smile

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

The only Vivaldi in A LITTLE ROMANCE is the guitar piece that appears in parts of the album.

The rest is all Delerue.

And thank goodness that Delerue won the Oscar because that was one of the reasons he moved to the USA.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

Wasn't Dub Taylor one of the folks behind Take Two Records?

And all these years I thought he was a western character actors with marbles in his mouth.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

duplicate

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

The only Vivaldi in A LITTLE ROMANCE is the guitar piece that appears in parts of the album.

The rest is all Delerue.

And thank goodness that Delerue won the Oscar because that was one of the reasons he moved to the USA.


But that piece dominated the film in terms of performance (i.e., what was heard).

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

And thank goodness that Delerue won the Oscar because that was one of the reasons he moved to the USA.

Yes, Bruce therefore is indirectly responsible for persuading Delerue to conquer his personal fear of flying. Ever since his music has soared. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

And do you think Mr. Delerue thanked me? smile

Glad everyone seems to have enjoyed reading this and has taken it in the spirit it was meant.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

How ironic, when I was a record vendor God knows how many V.S LP'S I bought for my business. Since as I have said already I loved there covers and all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2013 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO MALEFICIO- Thanks for that info, I assume most of it was GEORGES-GEORGES THE GREAT, INDEED.

 
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