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 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

What do you mean by "silly stuff"?

I assume he means "Lapti Nek"/"Jedi Rocks", large portions of "Bounty for a Wookiee", etc.

Am I right, Solium?


You are correct. wink I would also use the original music intended for Sail Barge sequence over the cut Lucas had Williams rewrite. There maybe other bits here and there I would cut or remove altogether.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

What do you mean by "silly stuff"?

I assume he means "Lapti Nek"/"Jedi Rocks", large portions of "Bounty for a Wookiee", etc.

Am I right, Solium?


You are correct. wink I would also use the original music intended for Sail Barge sequence over the cut Lucas had Williams rewrite. There maybe other bits here and there I would cut or remove altogether.


I can see the source stuff not being your cup of tea. But what's so bad about Bounty for a Wookie? I thought that getting all of the Jabba's palace stuff really showed the nuance of Williams' scoring for Jabba.

Sadly I like the rescore of the sail barge fight so much better than his original. Even though it goes back to Star Wars. Although it does the "reprise" of those themes much better than some of the later Death Star stuff. The rescore just has so much more kick than the original. IMHO of course.

I can't imagine Lapti Nek not being on the LP. I mean, that's pretty much why it was in the movie, right?

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2013 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I can't imagine Lapti Nek not being on the LP. I mean, that's pretty much why it was in the movie, right?

You make a good point there.

Sadly though, the version on the album sounds almost nothing like the version in the film.


Also, I agree with you regarding the revised version of "Sail Barge Assault"; I prefer the version in the film and on the album to the original (unused) version, although it's nice to have that version on disc too, for historic and comparison purposes...

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2013 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I think "Fight with the Tie Fighters" and Darth Vaders Death" would have also been included on any
potential 2lp set. These 2 tracks were featured on varese's Star Wars Trilogy album.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2013 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I think "Fight with the Tie Fighters" and Darth Vaders Death" would have also been included on any
potential 2lp set. These 2 tracks were featured on varese's Star Wars Trilogy album.


Agreed, although with "Fight with the Tie Fighters", who knows whether it would have been that shorter version of the cue or would it have included the "1st Ewok Battle" portion that precedes it?

I also think that Williams would have included his "Jabba The Hutt" concert arrangement and if so, would that mean that "Han Solo Returns" would no longer feature the same closing tuba solo that also closes out the concert piece? I am thinking no and that the "Han Solo Returns" version on the Gerhardt album would be more in line with might have appeared on a 2LP set.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2013 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   doc365a   (Member)

In response to #2 of the original post, my tracklist, with 'sides' noted:
Side 1:
1) Main Title (The Story Continues) (5:13)
2) Rebel Briefing (2:10)
3) Luke And Leia (4:47)
4) Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) (4:09)
Side 2:
1) Into The Trap (3:36)
2) The Death Of Yoda (6:06)
3) The Emperor (3:58)
4) The Forest Battle (4:04)
Side 3:
1) Parade Of The Ewoks* (3:34)
2) Fight In The Dungeon (3:41)
3) Heroic Ewok (1:54)
4) Return Of The Jedi (5:02)
Side 4:
1) Fight With Tie Fighters* (4:33)
2) The Emperor's Death (2:44)
3) Darth Vader's Death* (2:52)
4) Leia Breaks The News / Funeral Pyre For A Jedi (2:22)
5) Victory Celebration** And Finale (10:32)
Total Time: 74:21
I used The Fleet Enters Hyperspace as an intro for Into The Trap.
Used the Kojian track from the Varese album for tracks 1 on Side 3 and 1 & 3 on Side 4
Used the concert version of The Throne Room for Victory Celebration...I just can't do the Ewok song anymore, and while I don't dislike Williams' 97 rewrite, it just doesn't seem to fit. Of course, your personal tastes may vary, but I find this a hugely entertaining listen.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Below is what I have come up with just recently. I decided to take some ideas from Williams on the original LP for JEDI and expand on that. With four concert arrangements, plus the new Emperor's theme, Williams had a lot of new material to introduce and spread out among the disc space. Also, there is so much constant battle music in the last third that I am sure Williams would spread these around, along with the plethora of Ewok music. Most tracks from the '93 box set, except the end credits and others noted:

LP 1, Side A:
1. Main Title/Approaching The Death Star
2. Parade Of The Ewoks
3. Luke And Leia
3. Han Solo Returns (from Gerhardt album recording)
5. Fight In The Dungeon

LP 1, Side B:
1. The Emperor Arrives
2. Into The Trap
3. Heroic Ewok/The Fleet Goes Into Hyperspace
4. The Death Of Yoda
5. First Ewok Battle/Fight With The Fighters

LP 2, Side A:
1. Jabba The Hut (Varujan Kojian: Utah Symphony Orchestra)
2. The Emperor's Death
3. Through The Flames
4. The Emperor Confronts Luke
5. The Forest Battle

LP 2, Side B:
1. Final Duel/Into The Death Star
2. Darth Vader's Death
3. The Return Of The Jedi
4. Leia Breaks The News (Alternate)/Funeral Pyre For A Jedi (Film Version)
5. Victory Celebration/End Title

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Does anyone else have a dropout on the first note of track 5 Return Of The Jedi on the Jedi disc from the Anthology set?

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

What do you mean by "silly stuff"?

I assume he means "Lapti Nek"/"Jedi Rocks", large portions of "Bounty for a Wookiee", etc.

Am I right, Solium?


You are correct. wink I would also use the original music intended for Sail Barge sequence over the cut Lucas had Williams rewrite. There maybe other bits here and there I would cut or remove altogether.


I can see the source stuff not being your cup of tea. But what's so bad about Bounty for a Wookie? I thought that getting all of the Jabba's palace stuff really showed the nuance of Williams' scoring for Jabba.

Sadly I like the rescore of the sail barge fight so much better than his original. Even though it goes back to Star Wars. Although it does the "reprise" of those themes much better than some of the later Death Star stuff. The rescore just has so much more kick than the original. IMHO of course.

I can't imagine Lapti Nek not being on the LP. I mean, that's pretty much why it was in the movie, right?


I have to revisit "Bounty for a Wookiee". I don't remember the cue well enough. I hate "Lapti Nek" as well as the celebration song at the end.

Can't stand the theatrical version of the "Sail Barge". The music and themes swiped from Star Wars are totally out of place. Don't they actually revisit the "Tie Fighter" attack music? How does that become Lukes heroic music? One of the biggest musical blunders I've ever heard.

Edit: Played "Bounty for a Wookiee". That is a very obnoxious cue. Droning and silly.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

Double Vinyl track list:

Side one (pretty much what was released with the exception of last cue):
1) Star Wars Theme (The Story Continues)
2) Into the Trap
3) Luke and Leia
4) Parade of the Ewoks
5) Han Solo Returns (In The Court of Jabba the Hutt)
6) The Emperor Arrives

Side two:
1) The Forest Battle
2) Rebel Briefing
3) The Emperor
4) Master Yoda and Luke's Destiny
5) Fight in the Dungeon
6) Lapti Nek

Side three:
1) The Emperor Confronts Luke
2) Leia is Wounded
3) Fight with the T.I.E. Fighters
4) Darth Vader's Destiny
5) Heroic Ewok and Hyperspace (this cue sequed into Through the Flames to conclude the track)

Side four:
1) Faking the Code
2) Final Duel
3) Return of the Jedi
4) Ewok Celebration and Finale

There you have it; side one had Williams introduce all his new themes, and then the rest just played out as listed. Would have been a nice addition to the STAR WARS and EMPIRE vinyls; wish they had done it.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Does anyone else have a dropout on the first note of track 5 Return Of The Jedi on the Jedi disc from the Anthology set?

Yes.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Does anyone else have a dropout on the first note of track 5 Return Of The Jedi on the Jedi disc from the Anthology set?

Yes.

I was going back over the tracks from both albums after reading this thread and discovered it.
Never noticed it before.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)



Can't stand the theatrical version of the "Sail Barge". The music and themes swiped from Star Wars are totally out of place. Don't they actually revisit the "Tie Fighter" attack music? How does that become Lukes heroic music? One of the biggest musical blunders I've ever heard.



I sort of agree here. While I don't think it's a huge musical blunder, it does kind of take you out of the film with all the Death Star/Tie Fighter Attack material and feels somewhat disconnected from the rest of the score. I've always preferred Williams' original take on the cue. An exciting original set piece, which is (musically) what these films are all about.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 12:33 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Can't stand the theatrical version of the "Sail Barge". The music and themes swiped from Star Wars are totally out of place. Don't they actually revisit the "Tie Fighter" attack music? How does that become Lukes heroic music?


Easy: "Da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum-da-da-dum-dum."

It's the threatening-sounding fanfarish rebel motif which plays such an important melodic part in the Main Title arrangement of the Luke Skywalker Theme. I think the Sail Barge rewrite is an improvement, and the reasoning behind it is explained by the track title "Return of the Jedi." The music is obviously meant to convey the feeling that the characters are back to their old fightin' selves, and also to get the audience pumped, rooting for their success. "The Boys Are Back in Town" might have served as almost as good a track title. The finale of the cue retains Williams' most memorable original material from his first version.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 1:05 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Easy: "Da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum-da-da-dum-dum."


I associate that as the Tie Fighter motif, not a heroic theme for the heroes. (It even sounds somewhat menacing.) It's a very mechanical sounding piece. If nothing else it's a generic "space battle" theme. The Rebels theme or the Force theme would have worked better if they needed to reuse an old cue.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

The orignal, unused "Sail Barge Assault" just doesn't sound LSO-y or STAR WARS-y enough to me. In other words, it sounds like a rerecording. I like that bolder, fuller sound the film version has.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


Easy: "Da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum-da-da-dum-dum."


I associate that as the Tie Fighter motif, not a heroic theme for the heroes. (It even sounds somewhat menacing.) It's a very mechanical sounding piece. If nothing else it's a generic "space battle" theme. The Rebels theme or the Force theme would have worked better if they needed to reuse an old cue.


That motif is specifically labeled as the "Rebel Alliance Fanfare", so it's not supposed to be associated with the TIE Fighters at all. In all the liner notes for Star Wars and the sequels, this has always been labeled as a fanfare for the Rebels, so it's entirely appropriate that it gets used again the "Sail Barge Assault" cue.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Easy: "Da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum-da-da-dum-dum."


I associate that as the Tie Fighter motif, not a heroic theme for the heroes. (It even sounds somewhat menacing.) It's a very mechanical sounding piece. If nothing else it's a generic "space battle" theme. The Rebels theme or the Force theme would have worked better if they needed to reuse an old cue.


That motif is specifically labeled as the "Rebel Alliance Fanfare", so it's not supposed to be associated with the TIE Fighters at all. In all the liner notes for Star Wars and the sequels, this has always been labeled as a fanfare for the Rebels, so it's entirely appropriate that it gets used again the "Sail Barge Assault" cue.


Fascinating. I never "read" it as such. For me I always associated it with the Tie Fighter attack on the Millennium Falcon. Especially since the Da-Daaahhm-dum starts with the appearance of the Tie Fighters and their pilots. But it is what it is then, "Rebel Alliance Fanfare".

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)


Easy: "Da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum, da-DAAAHHHM-dum-da-da-dum-dum."


I associate that as the Tie Fighter motif, not a heroic theme for the heroes. (It even sounds somewhat menacing.) It's a very mechanical sounding piece. If nothing else it's a generic "space battle" theme. The Rebels theme or the Force theme would have worked better if they needed to reuse an old cue.


That motif is specifically labeled as the "Rebel Alliance Fanfare", so it's not supposed to be associated with the TIE Fighters at all. In all the liner notes for Star Wars and the sequels, this has always been labeled as a fanfare for the Rebels, so it's entirely appropriate that it gets used again the "Sail Barge Assault" cue.


Fascinating. I never "read" it as such. For me I always associated it with the Tie Fighter attack on the Millennium Falcon. Especially since the Da-Daaahhm-dum starts with the appearance of the Tie Fighters and their pilots. But it is what it is then, "Rebel Alliance Fanfare".


Not that JW was totally strict about this sort of thing, but yeah it was written as the Rebel Spaceship theme. When I was a kid I always associated it with the Imperial Attack (where it's verrrrrry somber) and Inner City (where it's very menacing and "Imperial" sounding). But it is played for the Falcon when they escape. It's most heroic use in Star Wars is in the end titles after Luke's theme.

I don't recall off the top of my head, but doesn't it get used in the Yavin and Hoth battles as well?

Having said all that, after the initial statement when Luke gets his lightsaber back it does go into the TIE Fighter Attack setting. I just don't think it feels like as much of a "let's play the Star Wars record for this part" as some of the Death Star battle stuff does. It feels like a reprise more than a quote. Unlike when the Executor crashes into the Death Star. That feels like they just dropped the needle on The Last Battle.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

But it is played for the Falcon when they escape.

An excellent example to bring up. Again the motif plays as the Tie Fighters chase after the Falcon. Another reason why I always thought it was the "Tie Fighter" theme. eek

 
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