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 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

After 23 times the same thing gets boring!

Boring to the point of a recent billion dollar box office haul!

While I don't disagree with your general statements, it should be noted that an odd criticism of the Craig films is that they feature less set piece action sequences than previous entries in the series.

I'll be a Bond fan for life, but I would like to see them attempt something more in line with the recent Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy film adaptation as that was quite a dense work on spycraft.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

i thought this woulda been one of those "made you look" -threads. also, in my calendar it ain't april foolz.
i don't like nolan and i don't like zimmer. i liked memento, but everything after that has been bland. in zimmer's discography i truly liked his era from late 90s to early 2000s, what diversity musically, but these recent albums of his i wouldn't necessarily categorize as music.
nolan's batman didn't use elfman's or riddle's themes. snyder's steel man won't have williams' theme. perhaps a zimmery bond wouldn't have those familiar notes from norman as arranged by barry.


But still, Zimmer used the Mission Impossible theme, and the Simpsons theme. Both Superman and Batman are complete reboots, like if the other films (and scores) never existed. Mission Impossible 2 and The Simpsons Movie we're taking place in a established world, and with established themes.

Also, Inception (both film and score) had Bond influences (it was a heist movie, it had a Bond-esque action scene in a mountain, and the use of old-school electric guitars).

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

I guarantee you at this point Nolan = Zimmer.

And it will be "The most innovative Bond score ever with exciting unique material" (TM)

And instead of a guitar, the Bond theme will be played by an army of Cellos and synth orchestra.

God I wish Zimmer would shed his synthetic packaged soundtrack-in-a-box and actually create something real, organic and creative.


The real problem with Zimmer is that he's in a time where other people does his job. He writes long suites with themes, and then his MV students arrange them to fit in the films. The final result sounds like copypaste.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I don't know if I'd categorize this as a rumor. "Talks" can mean simply that they're having discussions to gauge mutual interest. When a high profile directing gig frees up, they go through all the big names. This is standard. Most of the time, it doesn't amount to anything. But it's hard to imagine that Nolan's name wouldn't come up. Whether they can agree and actually proceed is the big question.

A few years ago, I found an old issue of Variety in the back of my closet. The first few pages announced several films soon to be in production, all with big stars and big directors. What they all had in common was, eight or ten years later, none of them had actually been made.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

I'm sorry for all you Bond fans but a more realistic take has to be done with the bond franchise. The Daniel Craig ones have been way over the top with too much action. Iguess though that's not the point. I don't mean it has to be totally realistic, just a little more believeable. Also the music from the Pierce Brosnan years on has relied on the theme so much that it just makes it boring. Very generic action music with lots of Bond theme does not make a good score. The best score of the franchise was The Living Daylights. A new composer to take some lessons from that and use the theme sparingly throughout the score. After 23 times the same thing gets boring!

Er.... what? Bond movies are action movies. And the reboot has taken a grittier, more realistic tone. But it's still an action flick, so I'm not sure what else you want it to be.

And maybe you missed it, but David Arnold (who by the way is the same person who composed all of the Brosnan scores except for Goldeneye) composed Casnio Royale without using the theme but one time at the very end of the score. And he has done a marvelous job with the franchise.

Tomorrow Never Dies was a fantastic score, as was The World Is Not Enough. Die Another Day perhaps less so, though the whole movie was kind of a lazy cut and paste job.

The Bond theme is its' identity. That's what it is. No, it doesn't need to bang you over the head (like Giacchino did in Trek 2009), but nothing wrong with weaving it all through the score for consistancy.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

I guarantee you at this point Nolan = Zimmer.

And it will be "The most innovative Bond score ever with exciting unique material" (TM)

And instead of a guitar, the Bond theme will be played by an army of Cellos and synth orchestra.

God I wish Zimmer would shed his synthetic packaged soundtrack-in-a-box and actually create something real, organic and creative.


The real problem with Zimmer is that he's in a time where other people does his job. He writes long suites with themes, and then his MV students arrange them to fit in the films. The final result sounds like copypaste.


Absolutely, right on. Which I don't even think you could call that composing a score for a film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Er.... what? Bond movies are action movies.

They're actually THRILLERS (i.e. for grown ups) with action content that has increased/decreased as trends have changed.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Well, firstly I would be up for a Zimmer Bond score - I think it would have the potential to work very well.

But - and this is a BIG but.... Christopher Nolan is a terrible director of action. He is great at character-pieces but he really hasn't for the slightest clue how to stage an effective action sequence. Conceptually, some of the set pieces in his Batman movies and in Inception have been great ideas which have been destroyed by Nolan's flat directing and his frankly bewildering unwillingness to farm such scenes out to a second unit.

I really hope this doesn't pan out.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Strictly speaking, what the James Bond films are depends on which era you're talking about.

They started as romanticized thrillers — the emphasis was more on the plot, the intrigue and the characters but still romanticizing the spy's life.

They've been gadget-laden tech fantasy films

They've been million-dollar light entertainment shows

They've been hyperactive wanton destruction films

They've been just about everything.

The last one (Skyfall) was a mix of really old school romanticized thriller and hyperactive wanton destruction film, which is why I am split on it, because ...

The romanticized thriller is by far my favourite mode of Bond film but the hyperactive wanton destruction Bond film is by far the mode I hate most.

I think it's a bit unfair to judge a Zimmer Bond score before it's even been written (he's probably more versatile than he gets credit for), but I have to say, since his themes tend to be like three notes rather than the 16/32 bar themes Barry wrote, and his recent form has been dominated by a style of scoring I find mind numbing, I'm not immediately enamoured by the thought of a Zimmer Bond score.

But it all does rather depend on what kind of Bond film it turns out to be.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

But - and this is a BIG but.... Christopher Nolan is a terrible director of action. He is great at character-pieces but he really hasn't for the slightest clue how to stage an effective action sequence. Conceptually, some of the set pieces in his Batman movies and in Inception have been great ideas which have been destroyed by Nolan's flat directing and his frankly bewildering unwillingness to farm such scenes out to a second unit.

Pretty much this, though I'd love to how they trap the entire MI-6 underground in a sewer for three months.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

Id be surprised if Nolan does the next Bond film.Hes too big a director now to do whatever Broccoli and Wilson tell him to do and he is above this franchise now just as Speilberg is

And i could only see him doing a complete reboot of the series with Christian Bale as Bond and Michael Caine as Q.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)



And i could only see him doing a complete reboot of the series with Christian Bale as Bond and Michael Caine as Q.


I could see Caine as Q to be honest. But Bales as Bond? God no, Daniel Craig is wooden enough without being replaced by another two dimensional actor.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

But - and this is a BIG but.... Christopher Nolan is a terrible director of action. He is great at character-pieces but he really hasn't for the slightest clue how to stage an effective action sequence. Conceptually, some of the set pieces in his Batman movies and in Inception have been great ideas which have been destroyed by Nolan's flat directing and his frankly bewildering unwillingness to farm such scenes out to a second unit.

Pretty much this, though I'd love to how they trap the entire MI-6 underground in a sewer for three months.


Excellent! But you know if that did happen, the Nolan fanboys would come out with their usual rhetoric about how "it was all explained in the dialogue but you just missed it".

The whole situation of the entire Gotham PD being trapped in the sewers in TDKR brings that film down to the standard of Orci & Kurtzman's writing. Although to be honest, there are major chunks of TDKR which are just so illogical that it just bcomes silly.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

The whole situation of the entire Gotham PD being trapped in the sewers in TDKR brings that film down to the standard of Orci & Kurtzman's writing. Although to be honest, there are major chunks of TDKR which are just so illogical that it just bcomes silly.

Same with TDK and BB, too. It seemed to get worse as the series moved along.

SKYFALL suffers from a lot of the same gaps. Mendes, it seems, really did take a lot of hus cues from TDK.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   ctblass   (Member)

I think saying Nolan is "in talks" is probably a bit of a stretch. The producers just came off their biggest Bond yet, one that was directed by a auteur with commercial viability, and who was influenced by Nolan's work. When Mendes decided not to come back for the next Bond, naturally they'd reach out to Nolan. But I imagine Christopher is pretty involved in pre-production on Interstellar, which is still another 18 months from release. I don't think the timelines would work out for either party. Chris would want time to develop it and make it his own, the producers probably don't want to wait til 2016 for the next Bond.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

The whole situation of the entire Gotham PD being trapped in the sewers in TDKR brings that film down to the standard of Orci & Kurtzman's writing. Although to be honest, there are major chunks of TDKR which are just so illogical that it just bcomes silly.

Same with TDK and BB, too. It seemed to get worse as the series moved along.

SKYFALL suffers from a lot of the same gaps. Mendes, it seems, really did take a lot of hus cues from TDK.


Mike, I agree totally. I'm still mystified by the success of Skyfall to be honest. It was an ok movie but it wasn't great and I really don't understand how it could have grossed so much.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

to me it seems like Nolan would be a natural for a gig such as Bond.
Her certainly has shown he has the hops to do it.


I still think someone like Ed Shearmur should be given an opportunity as Bond composer.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

I don't know which terrifies me more. Nolan directing or Zimmer composing.

Okay ..... it's Zimmer composing.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 11:42 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)



I still think someone like Ed Shearmur should be given an opportunity as Bond composer.


Seconded!

 
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