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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Almost all movies have plot holes.

But there are some plot holes that are just preposterous!

This new Star Trek movie is great fun, yes.

But some plot holes are way TOO BIG to ignore!



This is how I feel.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Jon C   (Member)

http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844

Yor, try this link. I was laughing at the comments that are spot on, even if I enjoyed the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Wasn’t Spock already breaking the Prime Directive screwing around with the volcano? Why did he report Kirk’s violation of the Prime Directive and not get in trouble himself?

I believe this one has been addressed. He was screwing with the volcano, not the people.

Aren’t starships created to withstand outward pressure, not inward pressure? Space is a vacuum, putting the Enterprise underwater reverses the pressure, doesn’t it?

No one has exclusively said what kind of pressure any ship is made to withstand. That is up to our imagination.

Assuming you don’t vaporize from the heat inside a volcano, what are the odds that it can erupt (and spew lava onto a nearby village), but not a drop touches Spock’s suit?

Perhaps the suits are made to withstand such conditions for a limited time? Maybe the set up a temporary forcefield around him? Who knows. Again, use your imagination and not your nickpicker.

Isn’t the Enterprise big? After Kirk and Bones survive an impossibly high jump into the ocean, how deep do they swim to reach the side hatch? Don’t they need to decompress?

There are websites out there that say how big the Enterprise is. I imagine it is concievable that jump, while impressive, wasn't supposed to be fatal.

Is Kirk just stupid? Why does he always anticipate a commendation when he is about to be court marshaled? Was Spock’s report secret? Surely he could have read it in advance.

Yes, Kirk is young, stupid and immature. That's kind of the point of the movie. Spock's report could have not been made available to him yet.

If the most important people in Starfleet are getting together for the purpose of fighting terrorism, why would they do it in an unsafe location, subject to sneak attack?

They believed themselves to be safe by whatever measures which were clearly inadequate. Harrison/Khan is also smart (and had an inside track) and had the means to bypass whatever measures.

Aren’t there sensors on Earth? We can detect life on a planet from orbit but we can’t find a specific escape ship flying around? Not even as it is approaching Starfleet HQ?

Again, Harrison is smart. He had his way of getting around things. One could say the same thing about the Reliant when it went missing and wouldn't respond to hails.

Forget how Kahn got his hands on the interstellar transport formula, why did he go to Qo’noS? It was clear that he didn’t have friends there. Maybe he was baiting Admiral Marcus.

They addressed this - he went to the one place where he knew (thought) Starfleet wouldn't dare send him. Marcus's whole reason for what he did was because he sensed a war with the Klingons brewing. The last thing Starfleet would do is provoke them.

That escape craft had some serious fire power. But Kirk wrecked it by very-accurately throwing something into the turbine intake. What? Combustion fuels in the future?

Just because there was a turbine or intake doesn't mean it was combustion powered. It could have merely overloaded.

Nobody’s bitter? So if we cross into the Klingon neutral zone and kill several scores of warriors and leave – they don’t get a little mad about the treaty violation? What gives?

Their actions could have repercussions in future movies as the destruction of Vulcan from Trek 2009 clearly did. No one has implied that it didn't.

On a ship the size of Enterprise there’s no backup for the Chief of Engineering? We have to turn to the seventeen year old head of tactical? But there’s a backup for tactical? What?

Kirk probably wanted to go with someone he knew and trusted. Or the writers considered him the most expendable crewman to stick in a red shirt. Who knows.

Admiral Marcus gives Kirk special missiles. Cool. But 72 of them? Seriously, Kirk needed 72 missiles to kill a single man? Would he have really used all 72? And, why not 47 instead?

Um, did you pay attention to the movie? 72 torpedoes = 72 augments in suspended animation, which is how many there were in cryrogenic freeze in the TOS episode of Space Seed.

Okay, so Kahn is a good shot and really strong. But with that many Klingons around nobody shoots back at him while he is shooting at them? Why don’t they think to do that?

He was too fast for them?

It was cool to see Urhura speak Klingon, but what was her plan? To appeal to their honor so they would forgive their violation of the neutral zone? How could that ever work?

Basically. It's worked in other Star Trek episodes. Appeal to a Klingon's honor and they will begrudgingly help you - one of the worst insults for a Klingon is to question their honor.

If Starfleet were to construct a super weapon, wouldn’t they have some security around it? How can Scotty sneak up, let alone sneak in to a facility like that? Is nobody awake?

Not if it's Section 31 and they don't have the manpower for it. And it's likely a highly automated ship for low manpower.

If the USS Vengeance is so high tech, they why can’t they detect a communicator talking to the Enterprise from inside her won belly? Again, is nobody awake at the controls?

Vengeance is Starfleet, Enterprise is Starfleet, probably no one thought anything of it at the time.

That shipyard scene was cool, but it made one thing clear: there are lots of ships around Earth. How is it possible that Enterprise is all alone over Earth, fighting for Starfleet?

None of them were in any shape to do so?

When Kahn hits debris and vanishes, how could he possible reaccelerate enough to catch up with Kirk and “guide him” into that little bity airlock? They jets appeared only lateral.

Who knows, again use your imagination. Didn't really have a problem with this. Sometimes you just need to not think too hard about these things.

I happen to know that the Enterprise’s artificial gravity pulls down, not up. When she is in a free fall, why is Kirk running along the walls with Scotty? Shouldn’t he float?

Oh really? Have you been to the Enterprise and hung out with Scotty to glean this info? The gravity may have malfunctioned, it may shut off when you get caught in the gravity pull of a body, multitude of possibilities. Also inertial damper malfunction.

If Kahn was hiding people in torpedoes, would he really pack them with explosives, too? How did Spock manage to “arm” one as to not be detected during transport?

If you didn't put explosives in them, I think someone would notice they were a little light or lacking in the necessary signatures upon scan. Either that or they replaced the people cargo with explosives.

After the crash on earth, considering how large the Enterprise is versus the “twice as large” Vengeance, Kahn’s slide down her shattered hull would be like sliding down two Empire State buildings. Shouldn’t the friction alone have melted his boots and his feet?

We don't know what kind of clothes he was wearing, and he also is super duper human.

The “energizers”, “star drive” or “warp core” of a starship is pretty freaking powerful, if you think about it. If you were stand next to it, unshielded, and it suddenly ignited sufficient to power the Enterprise, wouldn’t you probably be vaporized Kirk?

This is one item I did have a slight issue with, but I'm sure there are all kinds of excuses we can come up with.

Now that we have Kahn’s blood (rather Bone’s recreation of it), wouldn’t Starfleet bring everybody back to life? Like Captain Pike; arguably, the best character in the movie. Doesn’t this make it so nobody in Star Trek ever has to die again?

Pike had been dead quite some time by then; I would imagine there was a limited amount of time during which this would work. I do concede this opens up a little bit of a can of worms that needs to be closed.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)

The short and to the point answer to Yor's questions is this. Audiences are completely okay with more plot holes than there are black holes in the universe, as long as they are entertained. So there is no onus on directors to write a more cohesive script.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Khan: "If you will excuse me from this discussion... I grow fatigued again."

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844

Yor, try this link. I was laughing at the comments that are spot on, even if I enjoyed the movie.


Yes, YOR saw this one.

Really funny!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Khan: "If you will excuse me from this discussion... I grow fatigued again."



Haha I almost put that in my original response too!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Khan: "If you will excuse me from this discussion... I grow fatigued again."

Haha I almost put that in my original response too!


wink there's always the first "fatigue" scene in sickbay:
"I find myself growing fatigued... May we continue this questioning at some other time?"

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Why does everyone in the end say that militarizing Starfleet is a bad thing, but are completely ok with the Enterprise having more torpedo launchers than the first five Enterprise's combined?

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

What about those 72 torpedos? Were they suposed to launch 72 torpedos in Kronos to kill ONE man? And no one tought that was odd?

And who Sulu was talking too when he opened a chanel when they arrived at Kronos? Did he know Khan's comunicator frequency? Or he was using the Enterprise super-megaphone?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

What about those 72 torpedos? Were they suposed to launch 72 torpedos in Kronos to kill ONE man? And no one tought that was odd?
And who Sulu was talking too when he opened a chanel when they arrived at Kronos? Did he know Khan's comunicator frequency? Or he was using the Enterprise super-megaphone?


easy, big fella.
Just forget it, Yor. It's Hollywood.

 
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