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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

For Alfred among Roger's bandits in Athelney marshes, read Luke Skywalker with Yoda. Strong mythic shape to the story.

I was reminded about Luke Skywalker in general - the blonde youth being tested by an oppressive situation far beyond his years, and soon without any family. He tells his brother how they'll lure the Danes the way they lured wolves when they were younger, reminding me of some comments Luke makes in Star Wars. But I didnt think about the later scene you mentioned - good call. Now that you mention it, Luke dressed in priestly black in Return of Jedi also suggests a comparison since Alfred was torn between priesthood and secular life.
The redheaded Dane warrior guy who was showing off his sword skills and then doing acrobatic flips reminded me of the Sith in the prequel (who I recall jumped around alot).




Yes, the other great element is those scenes was Harold Pinter's wife, Vivian Merchant as Roger's wife. She wears a blue veil and is mute. This is clearly a demythologising of a recorded legendary event where Alf supposedly had a vision of the Virgin Mary whilst running from the Danes in the marshes, and he threw a priceless jewel at her as an offering. But Ian McKellen says that her scenes were examined by Pinter over a meal at a B&B, and he said, 'I can't allow my wife to say awful lines like that!' so they were deleted. That doesn't entirely ring true, it looks more like an original deliberate decision to make her more of an icon by making her mute, but it worked nonetheless. It's better than burning cakes. She does lay into the Danes in the last battle with a mad glazed look on her face.

The sword-dancer acrobat was based on a historical character, Ivar the Boneless, who I think was more active on the west coast and Ireland/Scotland. I did love Alfred's line in response, 'This is my cousin, Athelstane of Langbourne ... I fear he only dances on Danish graves ...' Athelstane was played by Julian Glover who I saw on the GoT set a coupla years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

So, no one still answered whether this film was a roadshow, or not.

I seem to remember reading that it was originally meant to be.

I presume it was released in England, before its ill-fated exposure in the U.S. Did anyone here see it then? Was it a roadshow?



The website in70mm lists ALFRED THE GREAT as opening in London on 14 July 1969 at the Empire Theater in 70mm and 6-track stereo. While not positive proof, it's a good indication that the premiere presentation was as a roadshow.

Another site, instereouk, lists the film as playing at the Cinerama Theatre in Wellington, New Zealand, in 70mm, from 22 January 1970 until 18 February 1970.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

This has become a lost film, it might just as well have been junked. No VHS or DVD (& forget any Blu-ray), not even on YouTube. In the UK about 15 years ago, TCM used to run an old pan & scan in the middle of the night, I recorded it & that's when I last saw it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The widescreen seems to have been shown on TV in Europe. I watched an avi of it last night.

Someone posted a silly review of their bootleg dvd (mentions another Star Wars-like scene). The aspect ratio looks the same as the avi:
http://noonobservation.com/2012/09/03/film-review-alfred-the-great-1969/

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

WANT!

Film and score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Here in Italy we had a good circulation of the old cinema and a perfect widescreen copy in 2,35 of Alfred the Great appeared on TV time ago. Recently important representatives of the old generation of film critics/tv collaborators passed away, and new staff of public television, in the name of mere profit and publicity, stopped interest for the Golden Era. giving atrocious programs. ALFRED THE GREAT is a legendary score of Leppard. I had this LP in my collection, years ago, and for some stupid reason I exchanged it for another title. Recently, wishing to listed to the score again, and having lost memory of that, I searched for it desperately, obviously without success. But I was lucky: a friend from Milan supplied me with a copy done from vinyl, even if full of tics and pops and I restored it carefully. I have to say that at the actual listening, I found this score vastly superior to the already high impression I received in the old days, having in the meantime capitalized the knowledge of dozens of subsequent historical works. It's a pity that so few British film music finds realization on disc, but this works of Ray Leppard is an absolute pearl, a masterpiece that deserves to be exhumed and offered to the knowledge of today's film music goers. I strongly hope that one of the "Magnificent Three" (Intrada-Kritzerland-LaLaLand) will take into consideration the idea. I am prepared to get more than one copy.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

There was indeed a full widescreen version broadcast occasionally in Europe, and it had a few extra shots, notably a head 'n shoulders closeup of Alf with a matured 'knowing' look just before the big final battle. It's in good condition somewhere, a fine print.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Recently important representatives of the old generation of film critics/tv collaborators passed away, and new staff of public television, in the name of mere profit and publicity, stopped interest for the Golden Era. giving atrocious programs.



Maybe, but ironically the younger modern critics have much better things to say about this film than the old guard did at the time.

It now has the added interest of being among the very first movies of players who are now legendary. I think it was McKellen's first film, and very early in York's output.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2015 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

It now has the added interest of being among the very first movies of players who are now legendary. I think it was McKellen's first film, and very early in York's output.

Absolutely true WILLIAMDMCCRUM, and I myseld find great interest in searching early roles of now celebrities. See Anthony Hopkins and Timothy Dalton in LION IN WINTER (1968) or young Charles Bronson in HOUSE OF WAX (1953), or Edmund Purdom in JULIUS CAESAR. IMDB, with extended list of Cast & Crew is a real mine for research.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2015 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Some soundtrack cues
First Meeting 0-1:17
Death Of King Ethelred 1:18-3:30
King Buhrud Deserts Alfred/Queen Aelhswith Leaves Alfred [combined & abridged here] 3:30-5:03
Alfred's Victory 5:04-7:49
End Title 7:50-10:46

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2015 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Thank you Last Child. I’m going in tears, with these excerpts. I can say only: “Zimmer & Company: are you listening?”.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2015 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I’m going in tears, with these excerpts.

I know how you feel (I think). The End Title especially, summing up all the beautiful themes, really makes me blubber.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2015 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Count me in as another lover of this film and score.
Hemmings was a good choice.

The LP was another of those sought-after ultra rare items that regularly passed hands for a weeks wages in 1979!!

At the time the other LPs in the same category were Stone killer, battle of the bulge, stereo Wild Bunch, Goodwins Birdwatcher, sabata, original 5 man army and a few others.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)




The website in70mm lists ALFRED THE GREAT as opening in London on 14 July 1969 at the Empire Theater in 70mm and 6-track stereo. While not positive proof, it's a good indication that the premiere presentation was as a roadshow.




The original album also has this track on the listing that seems a good indicator:

"Queen Aelhswith Leaves Alfred-Intermission-Beginning Of Part Two (01:44)"

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The website in70mm lists ALFRED THE GREAT as opening in London on 14 July 1969 at the Empire Theater in 70mm and 6-track stereo. While not positive proof, it's a good indication that the premiere presentation was as a roadshow.

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The original album also has this track on the listing that seems a good indicator:

"Queen Aelhswith Leaves Alfred-Intermission-Beginning Of Part Two (01:44)"



I was going to mention that. But the wording "Intermission-Beginning of Part Two" only appears on the "promotional" CD. The MGM LP has only the title "Queen Aelhswith Leaves Alfred" for that track. On the other hand, I heard the track once, and my recollection is that it did sound like intermission/entr'acte type of music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

now that's what i call music - and, fittingly, although it has epic, in inverted comments, moments, the general aura is one of wistfulness... a very '60s wistfullness.

last child mentions gary mcfarland's eye of the devil - a wonderful score - but i'd easily bracket it with the best of people such as stanley myers or john cameron, and perhaps even richard rodney bennett... there's certainly a contemporary language - both spoken and musically - being touched on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

there's a great interview out there somewhere, conducted by bruce duffie, in which leppard speaks his mind about how he's only known for baroque, about the continuance - or non-continuance - of music throughout history etc... he doesn't mention alfred the great, but one can read loads into everything he says - and probably misinterpret it.

kev, could you post the link please...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

last child mentions gary mcfarland's eye of the devil

oh, it wasnt meant as a true comparison. More of a vague association brought on because Hemmings was in both movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

last child mentions gary mcfarland's eye of the devil

oh, it wasnt meant as a true comparison. More of a vague association brought on because Hemmings was in both movies.


well, i've just made it into a true comparison.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   stroppy   (Member)

Thank you Last Child. I’m going in tears, with these excerpts. I can say only: “Zimmer & Company: are you listening?” .

Couldn't agree more. Here, here!

 
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