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 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

And I'll laugh at those that repeatedly run head first into the wall, but loves (or "do not hate") the wall

That's called "Stockholm Syndrome"!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Facehugger's comments remind me of another aspect - the superiority complex. The "hate" directed at a particular score, composer, etc. is merely a vehicle to condescend to the lesser beings who are too docile, ignorant, etc. to reach the lofty heights of Good Taste and Good Musical Judgement. And thus the urge to continually run into the wall (if we're going to continue with that metaphor.) That personality type is quite proud of their lack of tolerance for subjective experience and diversity. That does require some explanation and is far more laughable. In comparison, people listening to music they like requires no explanation.

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

I think that the internet gives you such a remove from the people you are talking to that it somehow encourages people to display poor social skills.

I would never dream of stating I 'hate' someone or something without very good reason-it's just too strong a word especially for an opinion of mine.

I simply say it's not to my taste or 'fair enough' let's move on. I think that's why all the Zimmer bashing lately on here has annoyed me-I'm in no way a big fan of his and he's big enough and rich enough to fight his own battles, if he even cared what one or two people posted about him-it's the strident nature of the criticism.

If you don't like something, say so and move on-there is no need to 'hate'-this seemed to start with the Star Wars prequels, and becomes a rallying call to the internet lemmings to jump on some band wagon or other.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

That personality type is quite proud of their lack of tolerance for subjective experience and diversity. That does require some explanation and is far more laughable. In comparison, people listening to music they like requires no explanation.

- Adam


Nice play with words, substituting "objective lack of competence" with "subjective experience and diversity."

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

In the case of Zimmer, that's hardly objective if we're talking about the overall craft of writing music to support a movie. I won't get into it because that's not the intent of the thread but your contention is not obvious by any stretch. But, at any rate, even accepting your point that still wouldn't be a reason to get bent out of shape if people happen to enjoy listening to the music and get enthusiastic about his scores. And that's the sense in which my comment was appropriate despite your attempt to shift the debate. To each his/her own.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Elmo Bernstein   (Member)



"Hate keeps a man alive. It gives him strength."

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR can understand why some people like Hanzimmer and his "wall of noise" aproach to film score.

YOR can even respect them.

But one thing YOR cannot understand or respect is people saying he is a true good and skylled composer.

YOR likes a lot of John Carpenter's scores.

But YOR KNOWS he is not a good and skylled composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Is YOR going to continue writing in the third person? Is YOR his own emanuensis?

These and other gripping questions must be held over until the next episode of "Dayz of YOR". BTW: 'they all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round".

Spoiler alert: Regie hasn't heard of Hans Zimmer and can't make a judgment about his music.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Is YOR going to continue writing in the third person? Is YOR his own emanuensis?

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I posted the following comment under the topic "When the Whales Came" a few days back. It seems to be a fitting addendum to this thread



"As I listened, I waxed a bit philosophical having just read the thread regarding the manner in which some members critique music and each other here. The beauty of this score made me realize how I so appreciate the talent, time and work of these composers. I may not choose to listen to or purchase the particular works of a particular composer. That is the way with all of us. I am not a rabid fan of a particular composer- I have my favorites. But I can honestly say that I respect and appreciate the works of all.
I am not a Pollyanna and am not wearing glasses with pink-tinted lenses at the moment though it may sound as if I am. My lack of a musical background per se does not make me a simpleton when speaking on this subject. I have 2 ears that function very well and know what they like. However, it is not beneath them to listen to and even tolerate a score that they will only try once.
I am not naive and certainly realize that the deeper you are into the creation and production of this music, the deeper your analysis and opinion can go. For me, the inexperience is a blessing - it leaves me to simply listen and listen again if I so choose."



I am grateful to David for beginning this thread. Since joining this board some 4 months ago I have been taken aback at times at the vitriol that accompanies or even dominates some comments. Tell me, how does the word "hate" even enter into a discussion of film music? Dislike? Unimpressed? Confused? Bored? Apathetic? Underwhelmed? I thinks these are more appropriate terms. There are so many knowledgeable and connected people on this board. I am drawn to those who discuss their love of particular scores and composers in a respectful positive manner. I am drawn to those who express their dislike for a particular score or composer in a respectful manner. It is not difficult to do this.

As a mother, I taught my children the importance of having opinions and expressing them. I taught them that a reasonable person speaks their mind and keeps it open at the same time. I taught them that an unreasonable person has their mouth open, their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears. My children aptly named the latter a bully.

I will continue to be drawn to those reasonable people who post here. Thank you David for being a reasonable man - you have a lot of company here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Great post. Ditto.

One doesn't need to be a musician or have a music degree in order to know what is liked or disliked. Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

And I agree - there are heaps of bullies on the internet.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

I am grateful to David for beginning this thread. Since joining this board some 4 months ago I have been taken aback at times at the vitriol that accompanies or even dominates some comments. Tell me, how does the word "hate" even enter into a discussion of film music? Dislike? Unimpressed? Confused? Bored? Apathetic? Underwhelmed? I thinks these are more appropriate terms. There are so many knowledgeable and connected people on this board. I am drawn to those who discuss their love of particular scores and composers in a respectful positive manner. I am drawn to those who express their dislike for a particular score or composer in a respectful manner. It is not difficult to do this.

As a mother, I taught my children the importance of having opinions and expressing them. I taught them that a reasonable person speaks their mind and keeps it open at the same time. I taught them that an unreasonable person has their mouth open, their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears. My children aptly named the latter a bully.

I will continue to be drawn to those reasonable people who post here. Thank you David for being a reasonable man - you have a lot of company here.


This text made YOR cry.

YOR sensitive and noble hunter from the future.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

YOR kidding me!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR kidding me!!

Nope.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

BOLLOCKS! YOR is too manly to be sensitive.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

BOLLOCKS! YOR is too manly to be sensitive.



Hey Panda, that is not YOR!

That is Capitain America!

And YOR is manly and sensitive at the same time.

Girls love that!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

BOLLOCKS! YOR is too manly to be sensitive.


I didn't realize they were mutually exclusive.

(And yes, I know you were kidding).

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

Hey Panda, that is not YOR!

That is Capitain America!


Are you sure? That looks like you. And it's not like you've never been on starships before. Sure you didn't get a haircut at some point?

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Are you sure? That looks like you. And it's not like you've never been on starships before. Sure you didn't get a haircut at some point?

YOR can change his hair, yes.

But YOR cannot change his loincloth!

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2013 - 10:04 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Great post. Ditto.

One doesn't need to be a musician or have a music degree in order to know what is liked or disliked. Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

And I agree - there are heaps of bullies on the internet.


Thanks Regie.

There are indeed heaps of bullies on the internet and heaps of attention addicts too - I am beginning to see little difference here. It kind of gets a bit tedious!

 
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