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 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   TxIrish   (Member)

These new Star Wars films will be a whole different ball game. They will be much more modern in style than the prequels and that will reflect to Williams´ music as well. Williams being Williams, one of those rare composers who really understands the true nature of any given film, I´m sure he delivers pretty much what the films need and more.

And he´s still at the very top of his game. The level both intellectually and emotionally in which he works today, is phenomenal. Tintin showed the man´s virility.


+1 This. Totally agree with you. Thanks for saving me the trouble of writing it myself!

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

It felt over the top and forced and did not match the action on screen at all. .

Not much of a surprise, since most of it was tracked and lopped over and over again in the film.

Tintin shows that John Williams still know how to do action and adventure music!

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

"Sorry to say: I'm afraid Williams' music is to laid back nowadays for an invigorating Star Wars-film"
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WHAT!!!!
Have you heard Duel of the Fates, Battle of the Heroes and big sections of Minority Report?
They are anything but laid back and lacking in vigour!

*edit - Yeah, as Kari says, Tintin has some hair-raising moments too. So does War Horse.


Yes. And I found them all being bland; not as 'to the core' as Battle of Hoth, Darth Vader's death, Duel Sunset etc.

Same with other scores. Compare Minority Report to Close Encounters, War Horse to Raiders. The energy is different. Nowadays Williams film music sounds more like concert arrangements of his themes than a actual film score. Brilliant music sometimes, it's just... not as vivacious.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

These new Star Wars films will be a whole different ball game. They will be much more modern in style than the prequels and that will reflect to Williams´ music as well. Williams being Williams, one of those rare composers who really understands the true nature of any given film, I´m sure he delivers pretty much what the films need and more.

And he´s still at the very top of his game. The level both intellectually and emotionally in which he works today, is phenomenal. Tintin showed the man´s virility.


+1 This. Totally agree with you. Thanks for saving me the trouble of writing it myself!


Pretty much my thoughts as well. It is going to depend on the films. Of course he's written a zillion hours of music, so the scores aren't going to be completely fresh. But if you compare the kind of direction for a film like Empire Strikes Back and compare it to the direction of Attack of the Clones, the former is incomparably more of a feast musically. More gravitas, dialog scenes with emotional subtext and atmosphere and just an overall approach that one found more of in an earlier era where music was required to be more upfront as part of the story-making. I doubt we'll get a movie like that. If the modern Star Trek films are any guide, the movies will be too visceral to allow for that kind of role musically. On the other hand, it would at least be a very different approach than the prequels and could make for an interesting combination.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It felt over the top and forced and did not match the action on screen at all. .

Not much of a surprise, since most of it was tracked and lopped over and over again in the film.

Tintin shows that John Williams still know how to do action and adventure music!


That explains it!

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Disney is preparing to churn out one Star Wars spinoff after another. There will be plenty of opportunities to hear what other composers can do with the material. For now, I'll be grateful for all the John Williams I can get while he's still around and working.

So will I....

....HOWEVER....

...in between the "Episode" movies, we already know there are going to be at least two other movies...and I'm very much looking forward to some news about THOSE scores....the chance for David Arnold, Christopher Young, John Powell etc etc to do a Star Wars movie? Yes please...

More Williams Star Wars is just gold...but there's another Gold Mine here that is perhaps being forgotten.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Furthermore, it will be quite fascinating to hear what Williams has to say in this modern cinematic climate. His recent commitment to Spielberg films only hasn´t really shown us the full potential of the kind of music he is capable of writing today, I would presume, as good as the scores to those were. The kind of ultra modern style of recent films has avoided him more or less. But the man has metamorphosed so many times during his career that I don´t think these will be no more stranger to him. I am really looking forward to hearing them. He has surprised me quite a few times in the past.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

With films lacking character development, or dramatic set ups, mixed with fast editing, quick cuts and joke filled dialog, I don't see these films having rich thematic scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Nice to see how excited Williams seems to be about the film in the interview.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

With films lacking character development, or dramatic set ups, mixed with fast editing, quick cuts and joke filled dialog, I don't see these films having rich thematic scores.

This describes the SW aesthetic from 1977 on, particularly from the critical standpoint. Remember, Lucas never claimed these films were ever meant to be more than children's entertainment. He and Spielberg were both quoted in '83 as saying that ROTJ came closest to Lucas's vision for the saga.

None of this has ever hampered JW's ability to deliver in the past, IMHO.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Dr Lenera   (Member)

Great news. For a while I wondered if it would be another job for Zimmer, he's doing more and more franchises!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   ILOVESCORES65   (Member)

Easily, the greatest news since hearing that I was seeing the first movie for the first time. This news make me feel like 12 years old, all over again.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

With films lacking character development, or dramatic set ups, mixed with fast editing, quick cuts and joke filled dialog, I don't see these films having rich thematic scores.

This describes the SW aesthetic from 1977 on, particularly from the critical standpoint. Remember, Lucas never claimed these films were ever meant to be more than children's entertainment. He and Spielberg were both quoted in '83 as saying that ROTJ came closest to Lucas's vision for the saga.

None of this has ever hampered JW's ability to deliver in the past, IMHO.


Well yes to a point. By today's standards Star Wars (77) has the pacing of Lawrence Of Arabia!
Let me add, SW was never meant to be a "Kids" movie. Aunts and Uncles burnt to the bone? Arms cut off? Torture of the Princess? It was meant to be "The kids in all of us" movie. A modern day fable for adults. It's just more Lucas self revisionist BS.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Let me add, SW was never meant to be a "Kids" movie.


You mean YOU never meant them to be a "kids" movie? I was talking about Lucas's intentions . . .

New York Times – September 12, 1976

"It's fun, that's the word for this movie," said Lucas. "It's for young people. Graffiti was for 16-year-olds; this is for 14-year-olds. Young people don't have a fantasy life anymore, not the way we did. All they've got is Kojak and Dirty Harry. There's all these kids running around wanting to be killer cops."

Looking back, Lucas is sure that "Graffiti" succeeded becaused he aimed it at a particular audience, just as he is doing with "Star Wars." "Nobody except Disney makes movies for young people anymore," he said. "I want to open up the whole realm of space for them."


You won't catch me arguing that Lucas isn't a revisionist bullshitter; he's actually made that practice into a great source of revenue. How many more disc sets should we have to buy to get the version in which Greedo never gets off a single shot? But GL's use of the word "kids" and invocation of the Disney name as early as 1976 make it very clear at whom his space opera was aimed from the outset.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I think what I'm most excited about is hearing him get a chance to score a SW picture without having to spot with Lucas. One of the posts above talked about basically whether Williams would be able to write "invigorating" music. To me this gets back to the horrible spotting of the prequel trilogy. They were just wall to wall with music, and not for the best. Every damn walk-and-talk had to have some music cue to go with it, and over three movies it just became mind numbing. I can't imagine Williams was any more enthused about having to write those little pieces.

So I'm hopeful we'll get tighter everything this go round. Tighter script, tighter direction, tighter spotting, with Williams getting back to what he does best and providing the muscle just for the important moments.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I wonder if Williams is getting a little tired of it.

Okay, there were three films. We knew, after they numbered them, there might one day be three more -- that was somewhat expected as a possibility. Williams likely knew he might return one day to do those if made.

Now we have anotehr new film that may set up an unspecified number of sequel films. Williams is getting older, these space opera scores can be tiresome and very time consuming, and there's no specified end to the franchise now.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I think what I'm looking forward to most might actually be the albums, not necessarily the film context of this new music. In the past, Williams has found great inspiration in painfully mundane scenes. One of my favorite OT melodies is "Luke and Leia," composed to accompany one of the most awkwardly-written exposition scenes in the series. --But what a ravishing concert arrangement we movie music nuts got out of it!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

I think what I'm looking forward to most might actually be the albums, not necessarily the film context of this new music. In the past, Williams has found great inspiration in the most mundane scenes. One of my favorite OT melodies is "Luke and Leia," composed to accompany one of the most awkwardly-written exposition scenes in the series. --But what a ravishing concert arrangement we movie music nuts got out of it!

I agree. That is one hell of a moving piece. I'm hoping that with the new film we get some concert gems as well, something like Princess Leia's theme, which never appears in its fully worked out form in the original STAR WARS. The romantic/uplifting themes have been so well suited to that purpose. Anakin's Theme being another example. Or Han Solo and the Princess. What will he give us next?

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I'm tired of Star Wars. Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back rightfully sit as masterpieces in the Western cinema canon. Nothing else beyond that captured the same sense of adventure and drama. I'm very sorry to report to you that this message board and beyond -- out into the black hole of SW merchandise and fandom -- has absolutely killed any interest I have in the furthering of this universe. I will sit back and appreciate all there is to see and hear in the films from 1977 and 1980, but I will be sitting out everything else.

But I will be overwhelmed with excitement when Williams scores a film that is not a modern Spielberg production or a bloody Star Wars movie.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2013 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

I'm very sorry to report to you that this message board and beyond -- out into the black hole of SW merchandise and fandom -- has absolutely killed any interest I have in the furthering of this universe.


 
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