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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Nothing wrong with the tone of his comments to me, and nothing wrong with having specific gripes either (ons I happen to concur with, if not as strongly). In fact, the original message is very positive about the label outside of those points.

Tone Deafness does seem to be a major problem around here and sadly in the rest of the world as well.



And Ford, while I can agree that posting on here asking about orders is rather pointless (exactly what e-mail is for), this is more about the release itself, and I think invites other opinions, and perhaps a response from Bruce that everyone can read.

For some reason, anything like this voiced in public is a sign of a huge ego in your eyes.


Blah,Blah,Blah..

In short, it gets the audience the original poster's ego wanted.

Thank you for grasping that.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

In short, it gets the audience the original poster's ego wanted.

And you helped him good ...

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

The only one with big gigantic ego YOR sees here is FAT.

What else is news.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

[startquote
So you are saying that criticism is only acceptable if the author do it the way you think it is the way to do it?

It makes no sense.

The consumer is always right, don't you know that?

People who make their living by trying to sell products should embrace criticism, whatever the way it is made.

Why?

Simple: because is good for their own business!

Remember, it's not just about the criticism but the goal of the one criticizing. Were they truly trying to assist the vendor or satisfy their own ego. Or are they just plain immature? One tactic over another has a far better chance of producing the desired result. Again, that's if the one complaining actually has that goal.

You got one thing right - if you're going into the niche business of producing soundtracks then you better be prepared to boldly embrace criticism. I'd recommend to ANYONE who thinks about going into the soundtrack business to view this board as it will MOST DEFINITELY thicken their skin.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Given a choice, I would prefer Kritzerland releases to have track running times on the back
of the CD packaging. That's my personal preference. The liner notes are what they are. Usually
a personal reminisce by Mr K with some factoids thrown in. I read them once and get back to the
main business of listening to the wonderful music on offer.
Are they better than FSM, Intrada, Quartet etc?. To me personally...No.
But it's Mr K's time and Mr K's dime, so I don't have any say in the matter. I think I've mentioned
the running times thing in other threads. I want them. He doesn't. I can't be arsed starting my own
label up so I will get by without them. Easy as pie!

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Remember, it's not just about the criticism but the goal of the one criticizing. Were they truly trying to assist the vendor or satisfy their own ego. Or are they just plain immature? One tactic over another has a far better chance of producing the desired result. Again, that's if the one complaining actually has that goal.

You got one thing right - if you're going into the niche business of producing soundtracks than you better be prepared to boldly embrace criticism. I'd recommend to ANYONE who thinks about going into the soundtrack business to view this board as it will MOST DEFINITELY thicken their skin.


Again, you are just trying to guess what the original poster's intention was.

Why bother?

He made a critic. And it is a valid one.

Label in question could embrace his critic or ignore it.

But start a flame war because of it is just ludicrous.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

I personally owe a great debt to Mr. Kimmel for the wonderful releases he has given us,
particularly the Golden Age ones. There's far too much picky criticism on this site from some. I am
very grateful for what I have been given. I agree with Ford. If you want to do releases your way, put up the money for it. Otherwise, suck it up and be grateful for what you have been given.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   shane   (Member)

Hi

My object is not to insult any one, least of all Bruce. Not to inflate my ego..but merely open the forum to hear what others have to say. If no one agrees with me, so be it. I think insulting me is a waste of time. I'm trying to find out if other soundtrack collectors feel we can make a product better. If they disagree, they disagree.

We should all be able to express what we think--without being bullied.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)


Again, you are just trying to guess what the original poster's intention was.

Why bother?

He made a critic. And it is a valid one.

Label in question could embrace his critic or ignore it.

But start a flame war because of it is just ludicrous.


No flame war here.

I read the original post and I'm reacting to and posting my interpretation. I can't begin to guess what the intention was but if it were for constructive purposes then I failed to get the message. Others might have no issue with the writer's methodology. I just think the post would have been better sent to Bruce directly. But then again, some people think it's perfectly acceptable to tweet their junk. Heck, I'm surprised it hasn't happened here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Hi

My object is not to insult any one, least of all Bruce. Not to inflate my ego..but merely open the forum to hear what others have to say. If no one agrees with me, so be it. I think insulting me is a waste of time. I'm trying to find out if other soundtrack collectors feel we can make a product better. If they disagree, they disagree.

We should all be able to express what we think--without being bullied.


bullied?

You post something in a PUBLIC FORUM, you should be mature enough to understand that you MIGHT be challenged on it.

Do you ever think of emailing him directly BEFORE POSTING HERE?

Or even post on the forum on the KRITZERLAND site first.

Or was the first choice to post here so you'd get folks to PAY ATTENTION TO YOU.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   shane   (Member)

I did think about posting him first. I wanted to hear what others have to say--agree or disagree.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I did think about posting him first. I wanted to hear what others have to say--agree or disagree.

Ah, let's post it in a public forum so I'll get others to agree with me and INFLATE YOUR EGO!!!

If you really wanted to offer some thoughts that might be helpful, A DIRECT PRIVATE EMAIL to the person as a a rule is a vastly better thing to do FIRST, then trying to "BULLY THEM" by posting in a public forum and trying to get others to help you do it.

Bravo!

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

I did think about posting him first. I wanted to hear what others have to say--agree or disagree.

Ok - I'll buy what you're selling.

I disagree with you.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   shane   (Member)

You seem to be very concerned about ego, so all I'll say is this is my last email to you about it. If anyone wants to voice their opinon about the artwork and notes, I'll be glad to hear it and respond if necessary.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

You seem to be very concerned about ego.

everyone has to deal with folks with egos everyday of their lives..
That's just a cold fact of life.
You should learn to accept this.

so all I'll say is this is my last email to you about it.

You do understand the difference between a EMAIL and A POST TO A PUBLIC FORUM?

Because you haven't sent me any EMAIL that I'm aware of........

If anyone wants to voice their opinon about the artwork and notes, I'll be glad to hear it and respond if necessary.

In short, he exits the stage because he's been called on his BS.

Oh well.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

"Otherwise, suck it up and be grateful for what you have been given"

To be clear, we aren't being 'given' anything. We BUY these CDs, therefore we have a right to comment on them. The original poster was not rude.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

"Otherwise, suck it up and be grateful for what you have been given"

To be clear, we aren't being 'given' anything. We BUY these CDs, therefore we have a right to comment on them. The original poster was not rude.


Speaking of TUNE DEAF folks.....

If he really wanted to offer something worthwhile, he should have emailed Mr. Kimmel first.

Posting in a public forum to get others to help him "Bully" him is downright rude.

But I'm sure you'll be unable to grasp the concept.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

Ah just ignore Thaxton shane, he's a joker. The arbitrary caps and temper tantrums are part of his humor.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   deglialberi   (Member)

You seem to be very concerned about ego, so all I'll say is this is my last email to you about it. If anyone wants to voice their opinon about the artwork and notes, I'll be glad to hear it and respond if necessary.


Of course, I know you will handle whatever criticism there may be to your original post with as much dignity as you expected of Bruce Kimmel.

-Ned

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Ah just ignore Thaxton shane, he's a joker. The arbitrary caps and temper tantrums are part of his humor.

That of course is your choice, hiding from opinions you don't agree with is often such a mature thing to do.

:-)

Ford A. Thaxton

 
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