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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I can't believe I'm buying this score again.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

Yeah, I am totally buying this!

The cue where Kane is at the front door with Steven, and Diane is having visions of Kane's past still make me shutter.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Never saw the film or heard the score. Look forward to samples.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

the long Varese, was just fatiguing to listen to and I truly believe that's why people never went back to it. It's not something you're conscious of when listening, but believe me that kind of thing plays with your unconscious.

Fatiguing is exactly the word I'd use… and why you'll get my money on this one. Dammit!

What's fascinating about the film itself, which I watched again before writing the liner notes, is that had Julian Beck not passed away in the middle of filming and things been hastily rewritten, changed and shortened (the film only runs eighty-three minutes without its end credits), this could have been just as good as the first film. Alas.

I'd forgotten that Beck died mid-filming. I haven't seen the film in years and years, but I remember being disappointed that the film made Carol Anne (and her parents?) clairvoyant. What was great about the first film was that it could have been any family -- yours or mine -- who had the misfortune of moving into that neighborhood above the Indian burial ground. Making them extraordinary sort of killed that.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   Nexus 6   (Member)

the long Varese, was just fatiguing to listen to and I truly believe that's why people never went back to it. It's not something you're conscious of when listening, but believe me that kind of thing plays with your unconscious.

Fatiguing is exactly the word I'd use… and why you'll get my money on this one. Dammit!

What's fascinating about the film itself, which I watched again before writing the liner notes, is that had Julian Beck not passed away in the middle of filming and things been hastily rewritten, changed and shortened (the film only runs eighty-three minutes without its end credits), this could have been just as good as the first film. Alas.

I'd forgotten that Beck died mid-filming. I haven't seen the film in years and years, but I remember being disappointed that the film made Carol Anne (and her parents?) clairvoyant. What was great about the first film was that it could have been any family -- yours or mine -- who had the misfortune of moving into that neighborhood above the Indian burial ground. Making them extraordinary sort of killed that.


Ha! Months ago, when we spoke of this score, you didn't have nice things to say about it, and stated that you would not purchase it again. But even then, I had a feeling that you would surrender when a new release rolled around wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I understand the comment about 1500 vs 2000 but I have to say I've got a feeling 1500 will go pronto.

I'm another one up for this even though its not a favourite and has been bought like 600 times (ok, exaggeration there) already. Strange isn't it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I understand the comment about 1500 vs 2000 but I have to say I've got a feeling 1500 will go pronto.

I'm another one up for this even though its not a favourite and has been bought like 600 times (ok, exaggeration there) already. Strange isn't it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I understand the comment about 1500 vs 2000 but I have to say I've got a feeling 1500 will go pronto.

I'm another one up for this even though its not a favourite and has been bought like 600 times (ok, exaggeration there) already. Strange isn't it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Damn your astonishing memory, Nexus! What can I say? I'm weak!

In all seriousness, I was bound and determined not to purchase this yet again. Were it coming from anybody but Bruce, I would not trust the hyperbole. However, he summed up exactly my feelings about the Varèse release, and said the new mix changed his mind. And as I was listening to his Otto Preminger at Fox release at the time, I found I was prone to trust him.

As he points out, there are no guarantees my opinion will change. But he's earned my trust. (Don't blow it, Bruce!)

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Sorry for the repeat posts. Not intentional. Seemingly some kind of handshake issue between the site and Crome on Android.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)


I'd forgotten that Beck died mid-filming. I haven't seen the film in years and years, but I remember being disappointed that the film made Carol Anne (and her parents?) clairvoyant. What was great about the first film was that it could have been any family -- yours or mine -- who had the misfortune of moving into that neighborhood above the Indian burial ground. Making them extraordinary sort of killed that.


If I recall correctly, it has this odd spiritual undercurrent with heroic shaman goings on and a truly creepy 19th Century Protestant Fundamentalist villain and the music soars nicely with this conflict between the religious enemies. I don't recall reading if Goldsmith chose "God is In His Holy Temple" as the evil hymn source himself. It sure works. Maybe too bad the movie wasn't more about this "Night of the Hunter"-ish bad guy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

Officially, is it POLTERGEIST II or POLTERGEIST II:THE OTHER SIDE?

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Officially, is it POLTERGEIST II or POLTERGEIST II:THE OTHER SIDE?

The film itself only says "Poltergeist II," though everything related to the film uses "The Other Side" with it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Officially, is it POLTERGEIST II or POLTERGEIST II:THE OTHER SIDE?

The official film title is Poltergeist II: The Other Side. That's how it reads everywhere on our package except the spine, where it was too long.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Damn your astonishing memory, Nexus! What can I say? I'm weak!

In all seriousness, I was bound and determined not to purchase this yet again. Were it coming from anybody but Bruce, I would not trust the hyperbole. However, he summed up exactly my feelings about the Varèse release, and said the new mix changed his mind. And as I was listening to his Otto Preminger at Fox release at the time, I found I was prone to trust him.

As he points out, there are no guarantees my opinion will change. But he's earned my trust. (Don't blow it, Bruce!)


And I take that trust very seriously. I can only tell you when I heard the first test track of one of the big choral/orchestra pieces I was just thrilled with the clarity and beauty of it. The dynamics are all gone in the Varese because of the brick walling and the amount of verb on the choir is so extreme that it just washes all the detail away. As I've said, you need reverb on the choir - it's part of the effect - and James has put just the right amount on to keep everything as it should be. Will everyone like it? I can't begin to know, I can only know what pleases my ears and sensibilities and hope others concur. But I do think with a more pleasant listening experience, the score will be shown to better advantage.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:15 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)



Well, I'm clearly very wrong. Why do I so remember seeing it without the subtitle? Also, Leonard Maltin's guide lists it as just "Poltergeist II," and they're main title card purists. Hmmm…

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

To Bruce: Bruce - we are so thrilled with you story about sound, why can't you made announcement today or on Friday? wink

To SchiffyM - subtitle "The Other Side" doesn't appear at same time - it appear in 2-5 sec. after main title "POLTEGEIST II". Maybe that's why you don't remember it. Also - there is 2 different fonts - so maybe people mostly remember bigger and untypical font?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Does "Late Call" include the phone ring effect?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Does "Late Call" include the phone ring effect?

Do you want it to? smile

We have both versions, with and without.

 
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