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 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Wow is right! smile

I saw the film when it came out and was so disappointed in the LP, much too pop sounding. Actually, the LP is a piece of junk.

After 44 years of waiting ...... the real deal! smile

A great Elmer western score. Thanks LLL!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

A long awaited treasure, such wonderful news. Thanks La La Land. I like the Tadlow rerecording and Elmer's own rerecording with The Utah Sympnony Orchestra but this is the real thing at long last!

I also absolutely love the big band re-arrangements that Elmer conducted for the old Capitol LP. Sure, back then we all wanted the original tracks as heard in the film, and I too was dissapointed that we didn't get those tracks but the Capitol LP is in itself a stand-alone item and I hate to see what people are writing about it here now...after all it is conducted by Elmer Bernstein...he signed off on it...I think it merits some respect for that alone...but the knockers are entitled to their opinions of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

Awesome cover art - kudos to LLL's designer.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

A long awaited treasure, such wonderful news. Thanks La La Land. I like the Tadlow rerecording and Elmer's own rerecording with The Utah Sympnony Orchestra but this is the real thing at long last!

I also absolutely love the big band re-arrangements that Elmer conducted for the old Capitol LP. Sure, back then we all wanted the original tracks as heard in the film, and I too was dissapointed that we didn't get those tracks but the Capitol LP is in itself a stand-alone item and I hate to see what people are writing about it here now...after all it is conducted by Elmer Bernstein...he signed off on it...I think it merits some respect for that alone...but the knockers are entitled to their opinions of course.




Hi Niall. I think this is the first time I ever disagreed with something you said! Yes of course, we all have our opinions. And that's fine.

Back in 1970 I visited Frank Squires who lived in Hollywood and was friends with both Elmer and one of his sons. Frank said to me: "Elmer wanted the actual original tracks to True Grit issued on an LP. The people in charge told Elmer, either a pop LP or no LP at all. Glenn Campbell is huge right now and the LP must appeal to Glenn Campbell fans, young girls etc."

So, there you have it. My guess is the pop LP sold well to Glenn Campbell fans. Campbell even sang the song a few times on his weekly TV show to promote the pop LP.

Frank told me Elmer really didn't want to do the pop LP, but if he didn't do it, someone else would!

After 44 years ...... I still hate the LP! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Bernd   (Member)

One of my all-time favorite tracks "The pace that kills" in it's original glory!
WOW!

I quite like the re-recording, but this is simply amazing news.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)






Mr. Jack, I'll take the original tracks to True Grit any way I can get them ....... even if they were on 78 rpm records! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

A long awaited treasure, such wonderful news. Thanks La La Land. I like the Tadlow rerecording and Elmer's own rerecording with The Utah Sympnony Orchestra but this is the real thing at long last!

I also absolutely love the big band re-arrangements that Elmer conducted for the old Capitol LP. Sure, back then we all wanted the original tracks as heard in the film, and I too was dissapointed that we didn't get those tracks but the Capitol LP is in itself a stand-alone item and I hate to see what people are writing about it here now...after all it is conducted by Elmer Bernstein...he signed off on it...I think it merits some respect for that alone...but the knockers are entitled to their opinions of course.




Hi Niall. I think this is the first time I ever disagreed with something you said! Yes of course, we all have our opinions. And that's fine.

Back in 1970 I visited Frank Squires who lived in Hollywood and was friends with both Elmer and one of his sons. Frank said to me: "Elmer wanted the actual original tracks to True Grit issued on an LP. The people in charge told Elmer, either a pop LP or no LP at all. Glenn Campbell is huge right now and the LP must appeal to Glenn Campbell fans, young girls etc."

So, there you have it. My guess is the pop LP sold well to Glenn Campbell fans. Campbell even sang the song a few times on his weekly TV show to promote the pop LP.

Frank told me Elmer really didn't want to do the pop LP, but if he didn't do it, someone else would!

After 44 years ...... I still hate the LP! smile


Hi PFK, no problem my friend, you certainly wouldn't be in a minority as regards people who have disagreed with me over the years that's for sure, ha ha! Now, I find it interesting what you say as regards what "The people in charge told Elmer" Did they mean that the LP must appeal to Glen Campbell fans and young girls (a bit odd?) or did they mean that Glen Campell fans were mostly young girls? If not ever a "young girl" I was certainly a bit of a Glen Campbell fan but never huge...I guess I would have to include myself among the "etc's" so their aim hit the target there...and after 44 years I still really like that LP!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

It's a shame that it wasn't recorded in stereo,

I can't believe that in 1969 it wasn't recorded in stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

A long awaited treasure, such wonderful news. Thanks La La Land. I like the Tadlow rerecording and Elmer's own rerecording with The Utah Sympnony Orchestra but this is the real thing at long last!

I also absolutely love the big band re-arrangements that Elmer conducted for the old Capitol LP. Sure, back then we all wanted the original tracks as heard in the film, and I too was dissapointed that we didn't get those tracks but the Capitol LP is in itself a stand-alone item and I hate to see what people are writing about it here now...after all it is conducted by Elmer Bernstein...he signed off on it...I think it merits some respect for that alone...but the knockers are entitled to their opinions of course.




Hi Niall. I think this is the first time I ever disagreed with something you said! Yes of course, we all have our opinions. And that's fine.

Back in 1970 I visited Frank Squires who lived in Hollywood and was friends with both Elmer and one of his sons. Frank said to me: "Elmer wanted the actual original tracks to True Grit issued on an LP. The people in charge told Elmer, either a pop LP or no LP at all. Glenn Campbell is huge right now and the LP must appeal to Glenn Campbell fans, young girls etc."

So, there you have it. My guess is the pop LP sold well to Glenn Campbell fans. Campbell even sang the song a few times on his weekly TV show to promote the pop LP.

Frank told me Elmer really didn't want to do the pop LP, but if he didn't do it, someone else would!

After 44 years ...... I still hate the LP! smile


Hi PFK, no problem my friend, you certainly wouldn't be in a minority as regards people who have disagreed with me over the years that's for sure, ha ha! Now, I find it interesting what you say as regards what "The people in charge told Elmer" Did they mean that the LP must appeal to Glen Campbell fans and young girls (a bit odd?) or did they mean that Glen Campell fans were mostly young girls? If not ever a "young girl" I was certainly a bit of a Glen Campbell fan but never huge...I guess I would have to include myself among the "etc's" so their aim hit the target there...and after 44 years I still really like that LP!




Hi Niall. Read your reply. I think what Frank/Elmer meant was the LP must have a mass broad appeal. Sorry to say very few people buy serious orchestral film scores. I'm sure Campbell has fans of all sexes, ages etc. He was huge in the late 60s, even had his own weekly TV show in the USA. Campbell must have helped sell many theatre tickets to True Grit. John Wayne often had teen idols in his films to sell tickets. Think: Ricky Nelson, Frankie Alvalon, Fabian! They must have felt Campbell's 1960s fans were largely female teens and 20s. I'm sure the pop LP helped promote the film and sold well too.

By the way Niall, my great grandfather Thomas Kennedy, was born in free Ireland in 1845! He came over to Boston, USA, in 1872. I guess that's why I live in the USA now! Maybe we are related, way, way, back? smile ....... Peter

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

A long awaited treasure, such wonderful news. Thanks La La Land. I like the Tadlow rerecording and Elmer's own rerecording with The Utah Sympnony Orchestra but this is the real thing at long last!

I also absolutely love the big band re-arrangements that Elmer conducted for the old Capitol LP. Sure, back then we all wanted the original tracks as heard in the film, and I too was dissapointed that we didn't get those tracks but the Capitol LP is in itself a stand-alone item and I hate to see what people are writing about it here now...after all it is conducted by Elmer Bernstein...he signed off on it...I think it merits some respect for that alone...but the knockers are entitled to their opinions of course.




Hi Niall. I think this is the first time I ever disagreed with something you said! Yes of course, we all have our opinions. And that's fine.

Back in 1970 I visited Frank Squires who lived in Hollywood and was friends with both Elmer and one of his sons. Frank said to me: "Elmer wanted the actual original tracks to True Grit issued on an LP. The people in charge told Elmer, either a pop LP or no LP at all. Glenn Campbell is huge right now and the LP must appeal to Glenn Campbell fans, young girls etc."

So, there you have it. My guess is the pop LP sold well to Glenn Campbell fans. Campbell even sang the song a few times on his weekly TV show to promote the pop LP.

Frank told me Elmer really didn't want to do the pop LP, but if he didn't do it, someone else would!

After 44 years ...... I still hate the LP! smile


Hi PFK, no problem my friend, you certainly wouldn't be in a minority as regards people who have disagreed with me over the years that's for sure, ha ha! Now, I find it interesting what you say as regards what "The people in charge told Elmer" Did they mean that the LP must appeal to Glen Campbell fans and young girls (a bit odd?) or did they mean that Glen Campell fans were mostly young girls? If not ever a "young girl" I was certainly a bit of a Glen Campbell fan but never huge...I guess I would have to include myself among the "etc's" so their aim hit the target there...and after 44 years I still really like that LP!




Hi Niall. Read your reply. I think what Frank/Elmer meant was the LP must have a mass broad appeal. Sorry to say very few people buy serious orchestral film scores. I'm sure Campbell has fans of all sexes, ages etc. He was huge in the late 60s, even had his own weekly TV show in the USA. Campbell must have helped sell many theatre tickets to True Grit. John Wayne often had teen idols in his films to sell tickets. Think: Ricky Nelson, Frankie Alvalon, Fabian! They must have felt Campbell's 1960s fans were largely female teens and 20s. I'm sure the pop LP helped promote the film and sold well too.

By the way Niall, my great grandfather Thomas Kennedy, was born in free Ireland in 1845! He came over to Boston, USA, in 1872. I guess that's why I live in the USA now! Maybe we are related, way, way, back? smile ....... Peter


Damn, blast, I just lost a big reply I had written to you, sic!!! I haven't got time to rewrite it again tonight, sorry. However you make lots of good points Peter and I'd like to discuss the possible USA/Ireland family connections a bit more sometime! By any chance are you on Facebook? If so, and if you'd like to link up, look me up as Niall Ahearne and friend request me, ok?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

It's a shame that it wasn't recorded in stereo,

I can't believe that in 1969 it wasn't recorded in stereo.


Exactly. I think they used what there was to use, that's my guess. It's not the first time it's happened and certainly won't be the last. Can we say Spartacus?

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Okay, so this year has seen CAHILL: US MARSHAL, THE SHOOTIST, THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER and now, TRUE GRIT.

Will we be getting THE COMANCHEROS or is that still in print?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Okay, so this year has seen CAHILL: US MARSHAL, THE SHOOTIST, THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER and now, TRUE GRIT.

Will we be getting THE COMANCHEROS or is that still in print?


Not in print and the year ain't over yet smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

This will be the first western score in my collection. Nice surprise. Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

It's a shame that it wasn't recorded in stereo,

I can't believe that in 1969 it wasn't recorded in stereo.


Exactly. I think they used what there was to use, that's my guess. It's not the first time it's happened and certainly won't be the last. Can we say Spartacus?



The publicity says that the CD comes from "the original ¼ inch mono masters." So I guess the question is, "the masters for what?" I guess they mean the masters for the film's dubbing sessions. Presumably the original recordings would have been called "the original session tapes," and it's those that have gone MIA.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

Well, if you have the "original soundtrack," that bears almost no resemblance whatsoever to the music that's actually in the movie apart from the song. I'm not speaking of the Tadlow rerecording but the original soundtrack released on LP in conjunction with the film. That's just a bunch of pop arrangements.

... as those of us who bought it in the shop in the old days found out the hard way ... argh!

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

The LP used to go for £25 at 58 Dean Street in London in the 70s. Alot of money, then.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

This is one of Elmer's greatest and I can't wait to get my little mitts on it - long time coming and if Chris Malone is on the case we know that it's going to sound great, mono notwithstanding. This score will work a helluva lot better in mono (obviously the film was mono) than Spartacus in mono, which, despite the brilliance of the music, I simply cannot listen to - that music was always in stereo from day one, so it's just too weird hearing something of that breadth not the way it was meant to. But for films like True Grit, mono shouldn't be a problem at all because that's how it played in the film.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2013 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



True Grit is going to be such fun! The cast was amazing and I always remember Duke's eye patch.

I will buy I, the Jury because I like Conti and I want to see Armand Assante on the cover! 1982 Armand Assante of course.smile

 
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