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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Shipping this morning. Given the decade of the film, it's a little shocking that there aren't more comments, but what do I know? I see a lot of releases that are, how shall I put it, not of this quality from this era and those get tons of comments. I guess this maybe isn't a film people who came of age in that era actually saw? Odd, since they seem to have seen every single other film made in the decades of the 80s and 90s.

Well, hopefully there will be more discussion once the CDs reach people.


Bruce, I'm intrigued by the CD but I'm not entirely sold on it just yet. Any chance of adding a few more soundclips? This sounds like a score whose whole, as a listening experience, is greater than the sum of its parts.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)


Bruce, I'm intrigued by the CD but I'm not entirely sold on it just yet. Any chance of adding a few more soundclips? This sounds like a score whose whole, as a listening experience, is greater than the sum of its parts.

It definitely is -- the score feels very much like his concert works, which are lengthy, mood driven pieces where occasional motifs and snatches of melody well up from the orchestra, a bit like this:

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Shipping this morning. Given the decade of the film, it's a little shocking that there aren't more comments, but what do I know? I see a lot of releases that are, how shall I put it, not of this quality from this era and those get tons of comments. I guess this maybe isn't a film people who came of age in that era actually saw? Odd, since they seem to have seen every single other film made in the decades of the 80s and 90s.

Well, hopefully there will be more discussion once the CDs reach people.


The film itself is a clunker, and the only thing of merit about it is Takemitsu's excellent score. It's probably so quiet in here because there's a bit of a hemisphere bias with Western film score fans, who as a majority don't seem to pay attention to foreign composers unless they pick up and move to Hollywood (Joe Hisaishi seems to be an exception here, though). Nevermind that most Asian composers, especially Japanese composers, seem to be actually classically trained, all orchestrate their own music, and write scores that are infinitely more interesting than the bland Zimmer schlock you get from Hollywood these days.


Listen to 13 Warriors.

As for Rising Sun (the movie), the first half is engaging, not so much for the plot as for the collision of philosophies. The second half its like the film producers didn`t know what to do next... it kind of meandered into uninterestingness.


While I like the film better than you, I understand your point - but I also understand that this film is no worse than much of the drivel from that era that gets talked about here in loving terms for film and composer - mostly to do with the age at which the drivel was seen. I mean, I'm sure you've seen those threads here.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Senn555   (Member)

This title is definitely on my radar, and I came very close to buying the previous release on a number of occasions. Have to wait until next paycheck to order it though.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   merlyn   (Member)

Excellent Bruce RISING SUN I thought was a great movie and the score brilliant.
thanks for this great release
cannot wait to hear it in full ( I already have the original fox album)

Lyn

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I remember seeing the film at a preview at the NFT in London in October 1993. I actuallly enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the novel. To be honest the score made little impact and initially I thought this CD release wasn't for me. However, I've listened to the samples several times and this is pretty amazing stuff. Will definitely order!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I was surprised how enjoyable I found it when I watched it a few months ago. I did see it when it first came out, loved the music, of course, but didn't love the film, which I thought fell short. But, compared to what I see these days, it seems much better now than it did then. I feel that way about Black Widow, too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

When this was first announced, my reaction was I'll probably skip it. I never thought much of the original CD and my favorite piece was the long taiko drum source cue. Also, I was a bit relieved to be spared the desire to spend more of my increasingly tight funds. What with "The Miracle" and "True Grit" and more hinted at Bernstein scores there was too much of interest coming.

HOWEVER, I kept listening to the samples and reading the comments and dammit...I just ordered it! I've always loved RAN and there is some great stuff on the FMS Takemitsu tribute CD, so I just can't resist.

I've never been a strictly Western-centric film music fan. I love discovering the work of composers who work mostly in non-American films. The Japanese composers are often terrific, but so hard to come by. (Although I never got Joe Hisaishi...just can't get interested in anime scores, I guess) One of my prize possessions is the Masaru Satoh box set of Kurosawa scores. I was too poor to afford the other the volumes when they came out a few years ago and upon looking to find one or two recently discovered they were not to be had at any price.

Anyway, thanks Bruce, for adding to the scarce Takemitsu CD canon.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I was familiar with this composer, but never knew he did a Hollywood film. I listened to the samples; certainly not my preferred era - I go for the 50s to the 70s generally - but between the neo-noir moods and my general desire to support Kritzerland, I had to order this. Looking forward.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I was familiar with this composer, but never knew he did a Hollywood film. I listened to the samples; certainly not my preferred era - I go for the 50s to the 70s generally - but between the neo-noir moods and my general desire to support Kritzerland, I had to order this. Looking forward.

It actually has much more in common with 60s and 70s scores than with the scores of the 90s. Hoping you'll be pleased.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

When this was first announced, my reaction was I'll probably skip it. I never thought much of the original CD and my favorite piece was the long taiko drum source cue. Also, I was a bit relieved to be spared the desire to spend more of my increasingly tight funds. What with "The Miracle" and "True Grit" and more hinted at Bernstein scores there was too much of interest coming.

HOWEVER, I kept listening to the samples and reading the comments and dammit...I just ordered it! I've always loved RAN and there is some great stuff on the FMS Takemitsu tribute CD, so I just can't resist.

I've never been a strictly Western-centric film music fan. I love discovering the work of composers who work mostly in non-American films. The Japanese composers are often terrific, but so hard to come by. (Although I never got Joe Hisaishi...just can't get interested in anime scores, I guess) One of my prize possessions is the Masaru Satoh box set of Kurosawa scores. I was too poor to afford the other the volumes when they came out a few years ago and upon looking to find one or two recently discovered they were not to be had at any price.

Anyway, thanks Bruce, for adding to the scarce Takemitsu CD canon.


I love discovering foreign composers - many of my most listened to CDs are from foreign composers, and I especially love Japanese composers. The many box sets of Satoh are incredible (fortunately I have them all), and I have all the complete Godzilla boxes, the incredible Kurosawa multi-volume set, which has some of my favorite scores of all time, the scores to Ozu films, and on and on. I also love the classical music of Ikuma Dan.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)

I run pretty cold on a lot of Satoh's work for some reason. I love his first two Godzilla scores, and his Kurosawa scores are good, but I've listened to the individual volume series of his work and it all felt rather lightweight. Should probably try and give them a relisten when I get the opportunity.

For people new to Takemitsu's score work, this boxset is an excellent (if pricey) primer:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000E1KNC0/

...and for the more budget conscious, this is my personal favorite domestic CD of his work:
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Takemitsu-Films-T/dp/B0000064U6/
Excellent material selected (if mostly focusing on his more harrowing works), with beautiful recording and performance by the orchestra.

This disc is also essential, containing (in my opinion) the best recording of his famous "Requiem":
http://www.amazon.com/From-Flows-What-Call-Twill/dp/B0000029WL/

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I run pretty cold on a lot of Satoh's work for some reason. I love his first two Godzilla scores, and his Kurosawa scores are good, but I've listened to the individual volume series of his work and it all felt rather lightweight. Should probably try and give them a relisten when I get the opportunity.

For people new to Takemitsu's score work, this boxset is an excellent (if pricey) primer:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000E1KNC0/

...and for the more budget conscious, this is my personal favorite domestic CD of his work:
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Takemitsu-Films-T/dp/B0000064U6/
Excellent material selected (if mostly focusing on his more harrowing works), with beautiful recording and performance by the orchestra.

This disc is also essential, containing (in my opinion) the best recording of his famous "Requiem":
http://www.amazon.com/From-Flows-What-Call-Twill/dp/B0000029WL/


My favorite Satoh scores are High and Low, which is in my top twenty as is the film, and his score for Goyokin is great.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



It actually has much more in common with 60s and 70s scores than with the scores of the 90s. Hoping you'll be pleased.


I gathered as much! Looking forward!

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Thanks for going out on a limb for this one, Bruce. I had the original CD release years ago and found it disjointed and incongruous, but I've high hopes for this expanded presentation (especially since I've become more familiar with and fond of Takemitsu's other work since then). The cover design is very eye-catching, too. Love that color scheme.

Takemitsu is one of my favorite composers of any nationality, but then again my list of favorite composers is pretty long and varied, so take that with a grain of salt. I will say that his music (film scores and otherwise) tends to grow on me after repeated listens--especially when I make the effort to listen attentively--so if you're new to his work and at first it doesn't move you, try and try again. Your efforts may be rewarded greatly as mine have.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

See, this is the kind of discussion I enjoy. It's actually selling pretty well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)

Should be able to buy a copy in a few weeks. Bumped to the top of my wishlist! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I didn't think this would be for me, but the clips changed that. Looking forward to it arriving.

The guessing usually begins when the current title starts shipping. So some clews please!
I think you said the next one is already pressed and ready to go, didn't you?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Samples didn't really grab me on this one. A bit too focused on texture for my tastes. Glad to hear it is selling well though.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 9:12 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

I love Takemitsu's score to RAN.
That 2CD set reissue is fantastic... The original Milan disc had only 30mins, but still wonderful.

I'm so glad you've issued this, as with many others, that old Fox Records CD lacked something.
The producers chopped it to pieces... No surprise.

Now, I have to budget this in...
I was so set on getting just 2 majestic Bernsteins next week.
Decisions, decisions!

 
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