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 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Agree, overly harsh to Mitch. If you ask people how they react to a certain score, expect comments of great support, dislike or somewhere in between. Ask for opinions, and also allow those opinions, like personal tastes, to vary.

Edit, just saw Ron's comments that did soften the whole thing. Good.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Last night, while watching "Chariots of Fire," I wanted to know who edited that movie, because he or she did an amazing job, especially with the music perfectly accompanying the action on screen.

It was Terry Rawlings, the same editor who worked on Blade Runner

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)


Talking about that, anyone else experience some soundeffects on the isolated track during a few scenes??
I have the European Blu Ray, but it can be that the US differs from this particular edition.


Yeah! I was wondering if anyone else noticed that sound effects were heard in the scene when Andrew Lindsay jumps over champagne glasses placed on the hurdles. Weird... (maybe the music-only track for that scene was damaged?)

And the US Blu-ray doesn't have the isolated score

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 10:39 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)


Talking about that, anyone else experience some soundeffects on the isolated track during a few scenes??
I have the European Blu Ray, but it can be that the US differs from this particular edition.


Yeah! I was wondering if anyone else noticed that sound effects were heard in the scene when Andrew Lindsay jumps over champagne glasses placed on the hurdles. Weird... (maybe the music-only track for that scene was damaged?)

And the US Blu-ray doesn't have the isolated score


I stand corrected indeed there is no iso on the US version however in Europe there are several different versions like a France, German and a dutch pressing. Maybe they have some differences in this iso track i do not know.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: "And the US Blu-ray doesn't have the isolated score"

And I was kinda looking forward to listening to it when my copy arrives in a couple of days. Dang!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Alex Cremers   (Member)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01h3hmz

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I don’t think I’ve seen this in its entirety since I saw it in the theaters in 1983. To say I didn’t “get” it at 14 is surely an understatement.

Something I’m not sure modern listeners may not get (or for the aged of us, remember) is that this theme was EVERYWHERE. We don’t hear movie music outside of films anymore. (Or do we? I admit I don’t listen to the radio much anymore. Of course, I didn’t then either…) The last film music I remember being everywhere in the public conscious was Titanic.

Anyway… I only have the tracks of this that are on Themes. I still think they’re terrific. It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed. Maybe because it beat Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Maybe I should get the original album.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I have never seen the film and I haven't heard the full album. I guess I should do both things soon.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Are any of the Blu-ray versions with the isolated score region-free?

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed. Maybe because it beat Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Maybe I should get the original album.


I think Chariots of Fire is much better than his Blade Runner score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Alex Cremers   (Member)

It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed.

The music of Blade Runner is more cool, more dramatic, dark and sad. Do a search, many electronic artists and bands were influenced or inspired by it. Indeed, there is definitely something muzak-ish and Clayderman about Chariots Of Fire. It's something you would play in a retirement home. Initially, the director wanted to use L'Enfant, a track from Vangelis' Opera Sauvage, but Vangelis wasn't too happy with that so he composed a new theme based on L'Enfant.


Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

I think Chariots of Fire is much better than his Blade Runner score..


Oh man that's just so wrong, I realise everyone is entitled to their opinion, but CHARIOTS is nowhere near the complexity or ambition of the BLADE RUNNER score. Indeed I think MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY is better than CHARIOTS and that score never got any album release at all, other than a few tracks on compilations. CHARIOTS is famous mostly for that iconic main theme and somehow winning that crap shoot that is the Best Score Oscar, which as history shows tends to go to anybody who is flavour of the month.

And I'm speaking as a huge Vangelis fan since the 1970s. His music has been the soundtrack to most of my life but even I have never really loved his CHARIOTS score. That damn main theme was everywhere back then and now post 2012 Olympics its driving me nuts all over again. Enough!

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed.

The music of Blade Runner is more cool. The music is more dramatic, dark and sad. Do a search, many electronic artists and bands were influenced or inspired by it. Indeed, there is definitely something muzak-ish and Clayderman about Chariots Of Fire. It's something you would play in a retirement home. Initially, the director wanted to use L'Enfant, a track from Vangelis' Opera Sauvage, but Vangelis wasn't too happy with that so he composed a new theme based on L'Enfant.

Alex: Re: "It's something you would play in a retirement home." That could be said about the lyrical cues of most soundtracks and, indeed, is a major complaint of many soundtrack haters, which I assume you're not.

As for "Initially, the director wanted to use L'Enfant, a track from Vangelis' Opera Sauvage, but Vangelis wasn't too happy with that so he composed a new theme based on L'Enfant." Interesting. And director Peter Weir, the very next year, would use that as his principal theme to his "The Year of Living Dangerously," although many of us who bought the soundtrack back then were disappointed that it wasn't included -- perhaps Maurice Jarre, who had written the original music for the film, balked at the inclusion of the piece by Vangelis (or maybe Vangelis wanted to keep it for his own recording). So, like others, I bought "L'Enfant" just to get that cue and used it for compilations I made back then for music from "The Year of Living Dangerously, including Kiri Te Kanawa's gorgeous Richard Strauss aria -- "Beim Schlafengehen (Going To Sleep)" from "Four Last Songs" -- that also played an important part of that great film (it's heard during some of Linda Hunt's scenes as the male Kwan, which earned her a well-deserved Oscar).

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I don’t think I’ve seen this in its entirety since I saw it in the theaters in 1983. To say I didn’t “get” it at 14 is surely an understatement.

Something I’m not sure modern listeners may not get (or for the aged of us, remember) is that this theme was EVERYWHERE. We don’t hear movie music outside of films anymore. (Or do we? I admit I don’t listen to the radio much anymore. Of course, I didn’t then either…) The last film music I remember being everywhere in the public conscious was Titanic.

Anyway… I only have the tracks of this that are on Themes. I still think they’re terrific. It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed. Maybe because it beat Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Maybe I should get the original album.


TallGuy: There have been a few more than the ones you cited. The theme to "Midnight Express" was EVERYWHERE, as was the one for "Beverly Hills Cop," as well as songs from "Saturday Night Fever" and "Flash Dance" and "Fame." And yes, you really should get the original soundtrack for "Chariots of Fire" and see the movie again for the first time as an adult -- you may be pleasantly surprised about both!

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

CHARIOTS OF FIRE, as a film, is badly dated when you watch it nowadays because of its score. What may have seemed "fresh" (for whatever reason) then sounds cheap and laughable today. I watched parts of the film again lately, and it was painful. Tony Thomas was right that electronic music, because of technological development, gets old much more quickly than acoustic music - especially when you when played against a vaguely old-fashioned, "historical" film. BLADE RUNNER works much better, because the music doesn't have to sound "realistic" in the context, rather it's sf music in an sf film.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Tony Thomas was right that electronic music, because of technological development, gets old much more quickly than acoustic music.

And yet, many would argue now that thematic orchestral scores are old hat.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

CHARIOTS OF FIRE, as a film, is badly dated when you watch it nowadays because of its score. What may have seemed "fresh" (for whatever reason) then sounds cheap and laughable today. I watched parts of the film again lately, and it was painful. Tony Thomas was right that electronic music, because of technological development, gets old much more quickly than acoustic music - especially when you when played against a vaguely old-fashioned, "historical" film. BLADE RUNNER works much better, because the music doesn't have to sound "realistic" in the context, rather it's sf music in an sf film.

OnlyGoodMusic: I couldn't disagree MORE with you! I watched the film again over the weekend and was so knocked out by it that I started this thread AND bought the Blu-ray, which I had put off doing because I already had both DVD sets. And listening to that great Vangelis music, it seemed as fresh as when I first heard it in the movie theater over 30 years ago. Frankly, I'm startled by such dismissals of that music, especial that it "sounds cheap and laughable today." Obviously I feel just the opposite.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It’s funny how Blade Runner is such a Holy Grail but this score seems to be much more widely dismissed.

The music of Blade Runner is more cool. The music is more dramatic, dark and sad. Do a search, many electronic artists and bands were influenced or inspired by it. Indeed, there is definitely something muzak-ish and Clayderman about Chariots Of Fire. It's something you would play in a retirement home. Initially, the director wanted to use L'Enfant, a track from Vangelis' Opera Sauvage, but Vangelis wasn't too happy with that so he composed a new theme based on L'Enfant.


Alex


COF is far more lyrical, and thematic. BR often falls into the sonic wallpaper zone it's so "heavy". It has some really nice moments, but overall I find it unlistenable. Darker doesn't make for better, which is the trend we've gotten for far too long. Of course IMHO. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Alex Cremers   (Member)

The music for Blade Runner is lyrical too but it's not the nice kind of lyrical that you'll find on a Richard Clayderman or James Last album. It's much more dark, bluesy, techno futuristic lyrical. COF is more granny-approved lyrical. The tracks Abraham's Theme and 100 Metres are cool though.


Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2013 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

The music of Blade Runner is more cool...

Maybe overseas.
Here in Europe, Chariots of Fire still remains a top-seller and you can find the CD easily in stores.
Side by side with BR.

 
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