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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I don't wish to rise the ire in the Rosenman die-hards, but his style is SO distinctive, that too much for me becomes overbearing.


Hey, Kev McGann.

Sample, if you will, this YouTube clip on 1960's RISE AND FALL OF LEGS DIAMOND.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE9VGlXwi8U

Leonard Rosenman's main theme music should be refreshingly different from what you'd expect from him! smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Back to Rosenman:

1. How many titles you wish the most?


Many! big grin

The Young Stranger
Bombers B-52
Pork Chop Hill
The Savage Eye
The Rise And Fall Of Legs Diamond
The Crowded Sky
Convicts Four
Countdown
Shadow Over Elveron (TV movie)
500 Million Years Beneath The Sea (the other National Geographic episode)
The Todd Killings
The Cat Creature (TV movie)
Possessed (TV movie)
The Car
Mary White (TV movie)
An Enemy Of The People
City In Fear (TV movie)
The Wall (TV movie)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

Back to Rosenman:

1. How many titles you wish the most?


Many! big grin

The Young Stranger
Bombers B-52
Pork Chop Hill
The Savage Eye
The Rise And Fall Of Legs Diamond
The Crowded Sky
Convicts Four
Countdown
Shadow Over Elveron (TV movie)
500 Million Years Beneath The Sea (the other National Geographic episode)
The Todd Killings
The Cat Creature (TV movie)
Possessed (TV movie)
The Car
Mary White (TV movie)
The Enemy Of The People
City In Fear (TV movie)
The Wall (TV movie)



Good list but you omit the dynamic duo:
"Rebel Without a Cause" and "East of Eden"

And "Race with the Devil" that can be paired with "The Car"!

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

["Rebel Without a Cause" and "East of Eden"


I'll settle for the re-recording of these 2 that I have.

So much unreleased material!

[RACE WITH THE DEVIL is supposedly lost or too damaged to restore]

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Thanks for the clip ToneRow.
Yes, that was a change from his pyramids and serial tones, but a bit too jazzy (Main Title) then melodramatic (the following score tracks) for me.
Oh well, like I say, I do admire his uniqueness in many ways and I love my CD's of Star Trek 4, Lord of the Rings, his POTA scores and Prophecy (I have Hell Is For Heroes too, which I bought for the Fielding, but haven't played it yet).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

["Rebel Without a Cause" and "East of Eden"


I'll settle for the re-recording of these 2 that I have.

So much unreleased material!

[RACE WITH THE DEVIL is supposedly lost or too damaged to restore]



What do you think of "The Young Stranger" as a score?

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

Nero Wolfe 1979 TV Movie? Maybe it is tracked in Rosenman music from other projects.

Anyway, Hell Is For Heros.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

To me Rosenman is a main course, but the majority of his work remains unreleased. There's a lot of goodies out there. There's a thread for unreleased scores by him:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=88750&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

What do you think of "The Young Stranger" as a score?

I was lucky to obtain a region 2 DVD of John Frankenhimer's first film THE YOUNG STRANGER (1957).
This is how I got to hear Rosenman's music for it.

I'd say that THE YOUNG STRANGER is not as heavyweight a score as REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (the premise of which THE YOUNG STRANGER resembles very much).
THE YOUNG STRANGER was shot in black-and-white and has that unique TV-to-cinema feel as does EDGE OF THE CITY and TWELVE ANGRY MEN, etc.

The cues of EDGE OF THE CITY are more hard-hitting than the music from THE YOUNG STRANGER, too.

I suppose this makes THE YOUNG STRANGER sound derivative and not a top-drawer priority for Rosenman followers, but it's still something I think would be nice-to-have on disc.

There's some lighter/comedic passages, but overall TYS continues in Rosenman's vein of contemporary Americana. If you like EAST OF EDEN and REBEL, then you'd already be receptive for TYS.
Otherwise, if your appetite for Rosenman does not extend beyond sci-fi, then TYS would not be on your radar.
[think of how many FSMers own STAR TREK IV but do not own THE COBWEB/EDGE OF THE CITY. smile ]

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

The Cobweb is a prickly pear to Star Trek IV's banana split sundae. Or maybe a side order of salad compared to french fries.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

What do you think of "The Young Stranger" as a score?

I was lucky to obtain a region 2 DVD of John Frankenhimer's first film THE YOUNG STRANGER (1957).
This is how I got to hear Rosenman's music for it.

I'd say that THE YOUNG STRANGER is not as heavyweight a score as REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (the premise of which THE YOUNG STRANGER resembles very much).
THE YOUNG STRANGER was shot in black-and-white and has that unique TV-to-cinema feel as does EDGE OF THE CITY and TWELVE ANGRY MEN, etc.

The cues of EDGE OF THE CITY are more hard-hitting than the music from THE YOUNG STRANGER, too.

I suppose this makes THE YOUNG STRANGER sound derivative and not a top-drawer priority for Rosenman followers, but it's still something I think would be nice-to-have on disc.

There's some lighter/comedic passages, but overall TYS continues in Rosenman's vein of contemporary Americana. If you like EAST OF EDEN and REBEL, then you'd already be receptive for TYS.
Otherwise, if your appetite for Rosenman does not extend beyond sci-fi, then TYS would not be on your radar.
[think of how many FSMers own STAR TREK IV but do not own THE COBWEB/EDGE OF THE CITY. smile ]







I own THE COBWEB/EDGE OF THE CITY and not STAR TREK IV: I'm from the old school.
I watched THE YOUNG STRANGER on the cable twenty years ago: I vaguely remembered a family drama but not the music. From your rundown, the music is sparse, is in the background, folksy and do not underline the drama. Unlike REBEL in which the music is vivid and urban.

Additional question:
I wonder now how the music work on Rosenman's military films: BOMBERS and PORK—is it like the composition leaning of HELL and COMBAT! ?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

In your opinion, which label could release Rosenman's war series scores for GARRISON'S GORILLAS?


 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I watched THE YOUNG STRANGER on the cable twenty years ago: I vaguely remembered a family drama but not the music. From your rundown, the music is sparse, is in the background, folksy and do not underline the drama. Unlike REBEL in which the music is vivid and urban.


Yes, Rosenman's music for THE YOUNG STRANGER is relatively sparse and not in the foreground, as REBEL is.
But it's not really folksy, though, because the setting is urban, too.
More like the Coplandesque moments in EDGE OF THE CITY.

BOUND FOR GLORY is folksy. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

[startquoteAdditional question:
I wonder now how the music work on Rosenman's military films: BOMBERS and PORK—is it like the composition leaning of HELL and COMBAT! ?

I've always like HELL IS FOR HEROES and PORK CHOP HILL when I view the movies.
Actually, I had previously considered PORK CHOP HILL to be more memorable than HELL,
but that's changed since I got the Intrada CD of HELL (which I've been playing in repeated loops almost every day since I got in September).

My appreciation for HELL IS FOR HEROES has increased thanks to the soundtrack album.

PORK CHOP HILL's main title theme is explicitly Asian in character, but the remainder of this (yet another) sparse score is rather similar to HELL especially during the fighting sequences.

BOMBERS B-52 is different from either of the war stories.
BOMBERS B-52 focuses on the manufacturing of jets and is set during late-'50s peacetime.
Karl Malden plays the father of Natalie Wood who attempts to protect his daughter from romantic involvement with Efram Zimbalist, Jr. (who has a reputation within the Air Force as a ladies man).
BOMBERS B-52 is a very domestic (& rather earthbound) drama about familial & social conflicts; only towards the climax are there 'men-in-danger' aerodynamics and rescue-mission action.
Rosenman's music is, for the most part, written in the customary Hollywood romantic idiom.
There is, however, some good suspense music near the end during the mountain search for the stranded Zimbalist.
Overall, LR's BOMBERS is conventional and one shouldn't expect a masterpiece of Americana which EAST OF EDEN truly is.

[by the way, the 19 minutes of COMBAT! which is on the FMS CD seems to me rather like a program of 'easy listening' music from the show which may have been designed for one side of an LP that never materialized. When watching the COMABT! episodes themselves on home video, one is struck by how dark and modern the music Rosenman created is (and how much different it is from those surviving 19 minutes)].

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)



I've always like HELL IS FOR HEROES and PORK CHOP HILL when I view the movies.
Actually, I had previously considered PORK CHOP HILL to be more memorable than HELL,
but that's changed since I got the Intrada CD of HELL (which I've been playing in repeated loops almost every day since I got in September).

My appreciation for HELL IS FOR HEROES has increased thanks to the soundtrack album.

PORK CHOP HILL's main title theme is explicitly Asian in character, but the remainder of this (yet another) sparse score is rather similar to HELL especially during the fighting sequences.

BOMBERS B-52 is different from either of the war stories.
BOMBERS B-52 focuses on the manufacturing of jets and is set during late-'50s peacetime.
Karl Malden plays the father of Natalie Wood who attempts to protect his daughter from romantic involvement with Efram Zimbalist, Jr. (who has a reputation within the Air Force as a ladies man).
BOMBERS B-52 is a very domestic (& rather earthbound) drama about familial & social conflicts; only towards the climax are there 'men-in-danger' aerodynamics and rescue-mission action.
Rosenman's music is, for the most part, written in the customary Hollywood romantic idiom.
There is, however, some good suspense music near the end during the mountain search for the stranded Zimbalist.
Overall, LR's BOMBERS is conventional and one shouldn't expect a masterpiece of Americana which EAST OF EDEN truly is.

[by the way, the 19 minutes of COMBAT! which is on the FMS CD seems to me rather like a program of 'easy listening' music from the show which may have been designed for one side of an LP that never materialized. When watching the COMABT! episodes themselves on home video, one is struck by how dark and modern the music Rosenman created is (and how much different it is from those surviving 19 minutes)].






To sum-up your rundown, PORK is the work to get immediatly.

I wonder if the tapes from GARRISON'S GORILLAS are available.
Since, there was one single season, that could make a great CD.
What do you think about it?

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2013 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

Would Rosenman be considered a side order to Woody Guthrie on Intrada's Bound For Glory?
I especially like the Rosenman suites, the music taking onboard the drifter character with the gobiron/guitar/fiddle while supporting in Rosenman style in orchestra, harmonic and dissonant.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2013 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

In your opinion, which label could release Rosenman's war series scores for GARRISON'S GORILLAS?


I'm not sure which label could release GARRISON'S GORILLAS, which was produced by Selmur Productions (the same prod company that did COMBAT!).
Perhaps this series falls under MGM property or Turner Entertainment?
If so, then FSM would've been the ideal label to release music from this show.
But new FSM releases no longer exist.

I could say with some degree of certainty that Rosenman music will most likely NOT surface on Varese Sarabande. During the past 30 years, Mr. Townson had issued an extremely small amount of Rosenman music ("And When The Sky Was Opened" in 1985, ROBOCOP 2 in 1990, and 2 episodes of AHH in 2011).

Intrada seems to be the last hope for Roseman soundtracks as Kritzerland hasn't done any Rosenman (yet).

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2013 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Would Rosenman be considered a side order to Woody Guthrie on Intrada's Bound For Glory?
I especially like the Rosenman suites, the music taking onboard the drifter character with the gobiron/guitar/fiddle while supporting in Rosenman style in orchestra, harmonic and dissonant.


hi, ajhsfm.

Considering that Rosenman won awards for adapting music for both BARRY LYNDON and BOUND FOR GLORY, I consider Rosenman's original material to be a side order. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2013 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

In your opinion, which label could release Rosenman's war series scores for GARRISON'S GORILLAS?


I'm not sure which label could release GARRISON'S GORILLAS, which was produced by Selmur Productions (the same prod company that did COMBAT!).
Perhaps this series falls under MGM property or Turner Entertainment?
If so, then FSM would've been the ideal label to release music from this show.
But new FSM releases no longer exist.

I could say with some degree of certainty that Rosenman music will most likely NOT surface on Varese Sarabande. During the past 30 years, Mr. Townson had issued an extremely small amount of Rosenman music ("And When The Sky Was Opened" in 1985, ROBOCOP 2 in 1990, and 2 episodes of AHH in 2011).

Intrada seems to be the last hope for Roseman soundtracks as Kritzerland hasn't done any Rosenman (yet).







What about La-La land releasing GARRISON'S GORILLAS?
What do you think of it?
Do the master tapes survive?

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2013 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

What about La-La land releasing GARRISON'S GORILLAS?
What do you think of it?
Do the master tapes survive?


La La Land?

La La Land releasing music by Leonard Rosenman that's NOT from STAR TREK?

Forgeddaboudit!

The music from GARRISON'S GORILLAS sounds very collectable, to me personally.

However, I have no idea if master tapes exist.

 
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