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 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I don't know for sure, but I think its likely, as Goldsmith more often than not like treating electronics as a part of the orchestra.

Star Trek The Motion Picture was certainly that way with the Blaster Beam and synths that Craig Huxley played.

IMHO, this helps blend the electronics into the overall sound in a way that it more natural, so they don't sound tacked on.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

By the way, is it just me or are the electronics much more pristine on this mastering than on the original? They just seem much more pristine and have greater presence on all frequencies.

I certainly noticed that, in addition to the slightly drier mix.

Very welcome improvements.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

I don't know for sure, but I think its likely, as Goldsmith more often than not like treating electronics as a part of the orchestra.

Star Trek The Motion Picture was certainly that way with the Blaster Beam and synths that Craig Huxley played.

IMHO, this helps blend the electronics into the overall sound in a way that it more natural, so they don't sound tacked on.


The electronics had its place in The Motion Picture due to the presence of the alien cloud and V'Ger itself.

I was never a big fan of the use of electronics in Insurrection as for the most part it seems Jerry used them just cause he could. In First Contact, it makes sense with The Borg. But with Insurrection, the only elements of the electronics I like are the moments he used them to portray the feeling of youth, like in The Planet / Children's Story, How Old Are You, or Stay With Me. The other uses drown out everything else.

Overall, I enjoy Insurrection for its lighter moments than its bigger one's, which end up being very standard fair.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I always thought of the electronics as one of Jerry's signatures for his scores. There aren't very many scores of his that don't feature it, IE: The Edge and First Knight come to mind.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I love the Rambo'esque synth loops and the echo'y sharp stinging synth hits that accompany the danger. I get the feeling for the Ba'ku stuff he went the 'Powder' route and I also like those dreamy flanger synth patches. If the new mix gives the synths more clarity, I can't wait to hear it! Insurrection is another score of Goldsmith where I find the orchestra and synths go side by side.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I've always enjoyed this score (probably the best thing in the movie) and after listening to track #1 for 30 seconds, I thought to myself, "Wait, what am I doing?" and I skipped ahead to The Healing Process (Revised). Nice to hear that cue apart from the film for the first time. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I put the score on my iPod last night and currently listening to it now. After hearing the short film version for "Children's Story" it made me change my mind and I like the longer version A LOT better. I think I'll end up swapping that out and put the longer version on my iPod.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I put the score on my iPod last night and currently listening to it now. After hearing the short film version for "Children's Story" it made me change my mind and I like the longer version A LOT better. I think I'll end up swapping that out and put the longer version on my iPod.

Another reason why the original album should have been remastered and included on disc 2 perhaps?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2013 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Begin the cries out for the Nemesis complete score!

Also, I don't know why I never took note of this before, but in the end of the revised version of The Healing Process (as the Enterprise is running along the length of the collector as it explodes), I absolutely love the counterpoint and handoff of the horn line into the strings with the horns carrying a supporting countermelody. Something about it is striking me as absolutely exquisite. Maybe it's just the novelty of it after listening to the original soundtrack version for 15 years.

In any case, very few one can quite write a horn line (melody or countermelody) quite like Goldsmith.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2013 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

My copy just arrived. Coincidentally I have been going through my music mp3s and organizing them. I deleted a bunch I don't often listen to (since I have the original CDs) and am also going through CDs that I have multiple editions of and trying to consolidate my mp3 versions. Also fixing tags and embedded images and information.

I have both editions of Star Trek: Insurrection. Using the new one as my baseline for my mp3 list are there any tracks I should include from the original that aren't well represented? I mean ones that are either absent or significantly different.

Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2013 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I am listening to my copy right now, the re-mastering of this gorgeously sublime Goldsmith masterpiece illustrates once more the dystopian quality of todays so called film music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2013 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

I am listening to my copy right now, the re-mastering of this gorgeously sublime Goldsmith masterpiece illustrates once more the dystopian quality of todays so called film music.

Agreed 100 %. I played this back to back with Into Darkness and the latter score can't hold a candle to Insurrection. And Into Darkness is one of the better mainstream scores to come out this year, sadly...

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2013 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

My copy just arrived. Coincidentally I have been going through my music mp3s and organizing them. I deleted a bunch I don't often listen to (since I have the original CDs) and am also going through CDs that I have multiple editions of and trying to consolidate my mp3 versions. Also fixing tags and embedded images and information.

I have both editions of Star Trek: Insurrection. Using the new one as my baseline for my mp3 list are there any tracks I should include from the original that aren't well represented? I mean ones that are either absent or significantly different.

Thanks.


"Children's Story" is the only one that I replaced from the OST version. I am just to use to hearing the longer version for so long. Everything else can be ditched.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I am listening to my copy right now, the re-mastering of this gorgeously sublime Goldsmith masterpiece illustrates once more the dystopian quality of todays so called film music.

It's funny cause right after I started to collect soundtracks and I started to read about them online (about the time insurrection came out), many people weren't impressed by it especially due to the synths and blew it off as one of his typical 90s efforts (much like First Contact and Nemesis), not to mention they blamed Rick Berman for holding Jerry back too much on the TNG movies. That didn't stop me from enjoying the album and still be impressed by it, but I felt a genuine disconnect with the online crowd back then (of course well over a decade ago). Glad to see it has come around really with all the love for this release and I'd hate to think it's the dystopian quality of todays so called film music that is the reason why Insurrection is suddenly great; Back then, all I was reading was that Jerry was part of that 'dystopian quality' and people were actually bored by his output (!!!). This gives me hope that many more treasures from the 90s (not just Goldsmiths) will get the support they lacked upon their release back then.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Well, a lot of people back then were comparing Goldsmith of the 90's with the Goldsmith of the 70's and considered his "recent" work less complex. I never really bought into that, at least not to the extent that his later work was dull, lazy or anything like that. He still put a great deal of thought and inventiveness into his scores, up until his last one.

Also, in general, the albums suffered because of the restrictions of the times. Many of his CDs were 35 - 40 minutes and he chose the tracks himself. Whether due to his personal taste or deadlines keeping certain cues out, I found his albums to be less interesting for the most part because he would often leave out some extremely interesting action material in favor of the slow, quieter cues. So, that may have had something to do with it. The original Insurrection CD, though, was a pretty good representation of the score and I always liked it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Insurrection was an early Goldsmith purchase for me, but it got shelved as I was buying stuff like The Omen, Supergirl and Patton. Not that I disliked the score originally but couldn't connect with it while I was drowning in his "classic work".

And here we are over a decade later and the original GNP Insurrection album might be my most played Goldsmith album out of 80 or so CDs. I thought the original program was excellent and covered the film without overstaying its welcome. The new expanded score has better mastering though and I love love love the expanded music on New Sight.

Possibly my favorite release for the year. I'll play this one until I grow young again.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

The new expanded score has better mastering though and I love love love the expanded music on New Sight.


The actual cue "New Sight" is still the same length as it is on the album. Unless, you're talking about the first 28 seconds which then is the cue "How Old Are You?".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The new expanded score has better mastering though and I love love love the expanded music on New Sight.


The actual cue "New Sight" is still the same length as it is on the album. Unless, you're talking about the first 28 seconds which then is the cue "How Old Are You?".



whoops, double post.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The new expanded score has better mastering though and I love love love the expanded music on New Sight.


The actual cue "New Sight" is still the same length as it is on the album. Unless, you're talking about the first 28 seconds which then is the cue "How Old Are You?".


This is one of those pleasant surprises when I didn't realize a previously unreleased cue was in the film the whole time and I didn't notice it. Just like "Kitchen Debate" from GENERATIONS. "How Old Are You?" is similar in that the music is nearly identical to the cue it's attached to and makes it indistinguishable in the movie.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2013 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Verity   (Member)

Got mine on Friday and have been thoroughly enjoying the remastered tracks & previously unreleased cues. Lots of little surprises to discover in this score, which I had dismissed years ago based on the OST. Reassessing this one has been fun! Thanks to all involved. smile

 
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