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 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Hey people, get your pitchforks and torches ready! Let's go on a witch hunt of Yor!

But seriously, Varese wants to dig a grave for itself. Perfectly fine.

At this digital age, when recording sessions get leaked all the time and Film Studios can and will put the music directly online for download, record labels are all destined to go the way of dinosaurs.


Yes, because it's the film studio that submits it to the online download mediums roll eyes

You people are dense and missing the whole point of what's being said and what I've learned here. There's a sweet spot at which they have to compromise to make a profit. The endgame of an album is to make money, no matter how much the people involved enjoy the product.

If they can't make a profit, they don't put out the album. It's simply that simple. And sometimes they have to shortchange us on the first release to make the second release possible (though at a limited release as not to put the record label under).

Lord help us all if Ford Thaxton re-enters the thread and weighs in...


In other news, I'm listening to the preview/interview with Michael Giacchino that was broadcast tonight. Really liking what I'm hearing. From the very beginning in the logos, the mix sounds much wetter than typically Giacchino mixes which I like.

http://www.wqxr.org/#!/programs/movies/2013/may/04/

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2013 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

I really liked "Ship to Ship" and the higher-quality version of "Ode to Harrison." I didn't hear much difference between the logos/end credits from the last movie and the versions played tonight, but that may be up to my laptop speakers.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Hey people, get your pitchforks and torches ready! Let's go on a witch hunt of Yor!

But seriously, Varese wants to dig a grave for itself. Perfectly fine.

At this digital age, when recording sessions get leaked all the time and Film Studios can and will put the music directly online for download, record labels are all destined to go the way of dinosaurs.


Friend Facehugger is quite right.

And YOR is sure that a lot of people who say nasty things about ilegal downloads do it often.

Hypocrites?

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

That's a lovely sentiment--give me exactly what I demand or I'll steal it.

Learn something about intellectual property legal theory before you make condescending statements and improper analogies.

But I can play along with oversimplified claims:

I can have exactly what I want, and I'm even happy to pay directly to the composer himself (hello Bear McCreary's label!) So why should I pay PARASITES like record labels? What do record labels do that add value and warrant my payment? --Your liner notes?

--Now see how oversimplifying things can be really stupid?

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It amusing that people are complaining about only getting 45 minutes of something they haven't heard versus 70 minutes of something they haven't heard.

45 minute albums have been perfectly fine for all but... IMHO three (TMP, TFF, NEM) Trek film scores for decades now. Why should Into Darkness be any different?

I certain play Giacchino's abbreviated 09 score than the longer one.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Amusing is to see people defending a ludicrous 45 minutes album in the 21th century...

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It amusing that people are complaining about only getting 45 minutes of something they haven't heard versus 70 minutes of something they haven't heard.

45 minute albums have been perfectly fine for all but... IMHO three (TMP, TFF, NEM) Trek film scores for decades now. Why should Into Darkness be any different?

I certain play Giacchino's abbreviated 09 score than the longer one.


While I would like a C&C I have no problem with a solid 45 minute presentation. I have a much bigger problem with missing chorus. I can't imagine The Secret Of NIMH without the chorus for example. Sucks the music industry wants to bleed the labels dry or keep all the goods for themselves. Art is supposed to be "shared" with the world. Not locked up in a vault.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Would I love to get the full score (even though I havenĀ“t heard it yet)?

- Yes, because I am a fan of Giacchino.

Am I disappointed that Varese will not offer the full score right now?

- Yes.

Can I help it by complaining on this message board?

- No.

Do I think that Varese is not giving enough effort lately to give its customers what they want - in contrast to all the other labels who really do that?

- Yes.

Do I know exactly why Varese is limiting their releases and not offering everything I want from their vaults?

- No.

Do I suspect that they want to maximize their profits?

- Yes.

Do I think that this is cruel or sensible?

- Sensible.

Do I want Varese to release everything I want as fast as possible and then be in a position where they cannot release anything anymore because they have to call it a day?

- No.

Do I think that this post will stop people from bickering about it?

- No.

Do I think that anybody cares what I think?

- No.

(Do I think that YOR should be put on my ignore list?

- Of course, not. He is extremely entertaining and putting a mirror to all our selfish score nerd needs. Long live YOR.)

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

YOR, may I propose a new avatar for you:

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Art is supposed to be "shared" with the world.

That may be, but I don't think it's unfair of artists to want fair compensation for sharing art that people want shared. Certainly you may argue about whether reuse fees are reasonable, about whether musicians should get residuals or not, and so forth, but it takes a lot of people to produce a soundtrack CD, and none of them are working for free.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Art is supposed to be "shared" with the world.

That may be, but I don't think it's unfair of artists to want fair compensation for sharing art that people want shared. Certainly you may argue about whether reuse fees are reasonable, about whether musicians should get residuals or not, and so forth, but it takes a lot of people to produce a soundtrack CD, and none of them are working for free.


Yes they should get paid fairly for their work. And yes it's unreasonable that they want so much in fees, chorus must be removed from the music. It's asinine.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

This post is totally derailed. I think we need a new one next month for the film and score.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

OK I have listened to the 5 WQXR cues several times now. I am thoroughly impressed! I am glad the picked the tracks they did, as they showcase the variety of the score... ie they didn't just play 5 action tracks. Some random thoughts:

01 Logos / Pranking The Natives - Logos is practically identical to "Opening" from ST09. Pranking the Natives is a fun action romp cue. The Main Theme makes a quick appearance, as does the Cadet Theme and Spock's Theme!

02 London Calling - still love this piano work! The entire track is nice, I love the dark turn it takes at the end.

03 Ode to Harrison - LOVE this piece. Probably my favorite of all the tracks. I don't think Giacchino could have written this even 5 years ago. Without seeing the movie I just feel like it takes us across as aspects of the John Harrison character, and on its own its just a satisfying listen. I am fairly sure this will be one of my top tracks of 2013!

04 The Kronos Wartet - love all the choir chanting here, and the percussive elements remind me of Horner's Klingon music from ST3.

05 Ship to Ship - The least interesting track, and its still an awesome ostinatto based action cue! Fun string runs, and a brief appearance of the main theme from '09.


Now bring on the iTunes release!

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   RollTide1017   (Member)

Ode to Harrison isn't on the album so, how can it be a top track... Or are you hinting that you have inside info that it might be an exclusive download somewhere. I hope it is because I love the track as well and I'm surprised it wasn't included on the album.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

OK I have listened to the 5 WQXR cues several times now. I am thoroughly impressed! I am glad the picked the tracks they did, as they showcase the variety of the score... ie they didn't just play 5 action tracks. Some random thoughts:

01 Logos / Pranking The Natives - Logos is practically identical to "Opening" from ST09. Pranking the Natives is a fun action romp cue. The Main Theme makes a quick appearance, as does the Cadet Theme and Spock's Theme!

02 London Calling - still love this piano work! The entire track is nice, I love the dark turn it takes at the end.

03 Ode to Harrison - LOVE this piece. Probably my favorite of all the tracks. I don't think Giacchino could have written this even 5 years ago. Without seeing the movie I just feel like it takes us across as aspects of the John Harrison character, and on its own its just a satisfying listen. I am fairly sure this will be one of my top tracks of 2013!

04 The Kronos Wartet - love all the choir chanting here, and the percussive elements remind me of Hornet's Klingon music from ST3.

05 Ship to Ship - The least interesting track, and its still an awesome ostinatto based action cue! Fun string runs, and a brief appearance of the main theme from '09.


Now bring on the iTunes release!


I agree!

I remember the discussion some while back had an observation regarding the 'thinness' of some of Giacchino's scores. I think I understand the sense behind that comment as I found his Star Trek score to be like that to my taste. I was pleasantly surprised by the clips of this score and how it seems to have a fuller orchestration to me or maybe it is the recording engineering that is making itself heard here?

In any event, I am looking forward to this release.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


I remember the discussion some while back had an observation regarding the 'thinness' of some of Giacchino's scores. I think I understand the sense behind that comment as I found his Star Trek score to be like that to my taste. I was pleasantly surprised by the clips of this score and how it seems to have a fuller orchestration to me or maybe it is the recording engineering that is making itself heard here?


Dan Wallin was busy so Joel Itawaki recorded Into Darkness.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Ode to Harrison isn't on the album so, how can it be a top track... Or are you hinting that you have inside info that it might be an exclusive download somewhere. I hope it is because I love the track as well and I'm surprised it wasn't included on the album.

I have no inside information whatsoever. Regardless of whether or not it becomes a digital download track or not, we have it now, so I'd include it in my personal list for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Antonio (luke905)   (Member)

In the end I stayed up (here in Italy the transmission began at 3:00 at night) and I was not disappointed: Giacchino seems to have matured as shown in different parts of "John Carter" and this maturity would seem grim to full development in "Into Darkness".

On my blog I wrote a couple of words (in Italian) and I uploaded the various tracks that I ripped from the podcast of the program.
http://empireofdreams905.blogspot.it/2013/05/star-trek-into-darkness-anteprima-dalla.html

The music I ripped from the preview IMAX at the time could be an alternate version of "London Calling".

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   pst   (Member)

Giacchino seems to have matured as shown in different parts of "John Carter" and this maturity would seem grim to full development in "Into Darkness".

it's hard to judge the score based on the few samples in the broadcast, but i'm encouraged. i agree giacchino seems to be continually maturing in style. "ode to harrison" is particularly refreshing after the overblown, downright silly theme for nero from trek 2009.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

Giacchino seems to have matured as shown in different parts of "John Carter" and this maturity would seem grim to full development in "Into Darkness".

it's hard to judge the score based on the few samples in the broadcast, but i'm encouraged. i agree giacchino seems to be continually maturing in style. "ode to harrison" is particularly refreshing after the overblown, downright silly theme for nero from trek 2009.


Again, I thought the rips from the podcast were excellent. I also thought that the overall sound was similar to Mission Impossible 4 but that the orchestrations allowed for a much more fuller sound in Star Trek Into Darkness. Definitely be buying this one.

 
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