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 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 4:43 AM   
 By:   Mr. Flint   (Member)

I think the reputation of And the Children Shall Lead is affected by Duning's interpolation of "Ring Around the Rosie" (kind of like Goldsmith's decision to use "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" in his IQ score)--it never fails to make me wince, but I agree the other aspects of the score are strong.


Including, I hope, his "noodling", Jeff! smile

Besides, the interpolation of "RAtR" could have been done worse. Yes, the song can be ennerving, if just sung by little kids, but in this case, the instrumentation is lovely, and serves to build an extreme counterpoint to the cues describing the horrifying scenes the children are witnessing in this episodes. That way, the use of the song serves to amplify the horror (for the Enterprise crew) of the inexplicable ignorance the children are displaying in regard to the death of their parents. Besides, he is not just stating the basic initial six notes from the song, but is carrying on with an 11-note variation built on that melody, which, in my opinion, sounds beautiful. But as I wrote in my last post, it's all in the "ear of the listener". wink

BTW, Duning had interpolated a song before, at least once: in his score for "Devil at 4 O'Clock", he used the song "Sur le Pont d'Avignon".

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Agreed, Mr Flint. I suppose it's similar to what Goldsmith called "fucking-around music". I think I contributed to a thread on that, but you won't find it under those words! Can't remember what it was. Some composers hold my attention no matter what they are doing, many others just seem to be covering up silence. Having heard the whole TREK set now, I'm glad to say that I hear very little "noodling" from anyone - which is pretty good going in 20-plus hours of music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Mr. Flint   (Member)

One of George Duning's most brillant "flybys":

Season 3 Disc 5:
track 8: Mislead Innocent/McCoy Mad*/Out of Orbit*/Call the Angel M38/M41/M42/M43/M43A 2:56

starting at :39 seconds! just awsome!

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Agreed, Mr Flint. I suppose it's similar to what Goldsmith called "fucking-around music".

"The what the fuck is going on music" if you want the precise technical term Goldsmith used.

 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2013 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Thanks Admiral! I use the term "treading water". By the way, I must say I hear NO noodling nor treading water in any of Duning's scores.


Yes, that's a good description, too.
To each his own. I haven't seen the eps in a couple of years, so just hearing the scores by themselves gives me the impression I described. Still, I'd rather tread water with these Duning scores than listen to the main themes of too many other scores (past and present).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Does anyone know where one can find the brief cue that plays in Whom Gods Destroy when Kirk meets the rehabilitated Garth? I think it's a harpsichord piece.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

That's from Paradise Syndrome--"Bad Memory" I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Ah, that's it. Good memory. Thanks Jeff.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

Can someone help me find another piece on the set once again? I find myself listening and listening to the set and I find a particular disc and get mired in it and re-listening to it. I think it is the theme or piece for Scotty, with the accordion music sounds somewhat Scottish. I actually heard it on one of the bonus features on the Season 1 Blu Ray set (I am rewatching the show while I listen to the set). I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Thanks all!

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Can someone help me find another piece on the set once again? I find myself listening and listening to the set and I find a particular disc and get mired in it and re-listening to it. I think it is the theme or piece for Scotty, with the accordion music sounds somewhat Scottish. I actually heard it on one of the bonus features on the Season 1 Blu Ray set (I am rewatching the show while I listen to the set). I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Thanks all!

Probably Trouble With Tribbles - "A Matter Of Pride".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I called the great Alexander Courage's theme "bloody awful" because I want it to sound more like JUDD FOR THE DEFENSE.

You want it to sound like the most repetitive TV theme in Courage's career? All that theme contains are an intro and an exit surrounding trumpets "speaking" the name of the series eleven times in a row. Just sing "Judd for the Defense" with the music...



Seriously, it must have taken him all of 5 minutes to write.


Repetitive though it may be, its tone and orchestration is much more in line with what I would have liked for Star Trek as well.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Deadwalker   (Member)

I have a question why do some of the tracks for The Cage appear on disc 2 and some tracks for Mirror Mirror are listed as Season Library Music?

Why are they not with the original episodes tracks?

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   nicholasm79   (Member)

I hhave a question why do some of the tracks for The Cage appear on disc 2 and some tracks for Mirror Mirror are listed as Season Library Music?

Why are the not with the original episodes tracks?


There were different variations of cues from Mirror, Mirror recorded for library purposes. Some of them are in fact used in Mirror, Mirror itself as well as the rest of season two.

As for the Cage music, I don't see what you're referring to.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Deadwalker   (Member)

I hhave a question why do some of the tracks for The Cage appear on disc 2 and some tracks for Mirror Mirror are listed as Season Library Music?

Why are the not with the original episodes tracks?


There were different variations of cues from Mirror, Mirror recorded for library purposes. Some of them are in fact used in Mirror, Mirror itself as well as the rest of season two.

As for the Cage music, I don't see what you're referring to.


season 2 disc 5 tracks 32 and 33 Prime Specimen ("The Cage" M21–30) LM19 3:14
Monster Illusion ("The Cage" M42) LM18 2:33. I do not know why these are not on disc 1.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

The set organizes season music by type (episode score, composer, library, alternates, source music etc) as best it can within space limitations. Not only is that most sensible on paper, it's most sensible as a listening experience as well.

I, for one, would certainly not want The Cage's library/effects music (from all three seasons) tacked on to the end of the episode score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

I am listening again to Jerry Fielding's "Spectre of the Gun" and I am amazed by the quality of the arrangements. What a beauty!

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Repetitive though [JUDD FOR THE DEFENSE] may be, its tone and orchestration is much more in line with what I would have liked for Star Trek as well.

No offense and all, but thank goodness we got Courage's vision of a theme for Star Trek and not yours. Phew. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2013 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I have a little question, perhaps one of the Trek experts here can help me! smile
What piece of music is playing in the episode "A Private Little War" for the closing just before the end credits?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2013 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Late to the party.

Got this set for Christmas.

Made my way through the whole thing once and then did some selective revisiting afterward.

It's great to hear "The Cage" in better fidelity. I made an expanded version with some of the re-records and added a subsequent knockoff track that fits in perfectly.

The score in the heaviest rotation is The Man Trap. It sounds like an episode of the Twilight Zone, which is a supreme compliment from Onya Birri's humble perspective.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2013 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I have a little question, perhaps one of the Trek experts here can help me! smile
What piece of music is playing in the episode "A Private Little War" for the closing just before the end credits?


Captain Playoff No. 3 (Sad and Alone). Season 2 library track by Courage. Good stuff.

 
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