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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Is it going to fail? It seems such a shame.

This is a forum for people who claim to love film music, collecting it and preserving it.

GREAT WORK FOLKS.

YOU REALLY CAME THROUGH.

(Not everyone, just the majority)


I'm truly sorry for your disappointment, Robert. And even more so for Intrada, who had lofty ambitions here.

But come on. Does our "claim" to loving film music require us to love all music composed for film equally? And more importantly, to support it with our hard-earned cash unconditionally? For this project to fund, they needed 1,800 supporters at the minimum pledge, or else they needed fewer people to spend a lot more money. Currently, there are 317 backers, with an average pledge of just under $90. Is lack of enthusiasm on this board really the problem?

Had the project been a restoration of Brad Fiedel's score for "Striking Distance," would you similarly question all non-supporters' love of film music?

We don't all have to like the same scores, regardless of what era they came from. Offer me Herrmann, Waxman, Rózsa, and a bunch of other Golden Agers, and I'm there (to the extent that I can afford). Not so for Tiomkin. Love what you love, and do it proudly, but I detest Tiomkin's music. Just this week, I tried putting on my few remaining Tiomkin CDs (I've sold most of them), and they're just nails on a blackboard for me. You can tell me that's my failing, or my loss, and that's fine… but it doesn't change my reaction to his music. And despite that, I made a (small) pledge here, and was willing to kick in a few more dollars if it got close, just to support a project like this, despite being pretty near certain that this CD wasn't going to be something I wanted to listen to.

Barring a miracle, there will never likely be a complete recording of "Dial M For Murder," and it's weird how that disappoints me. But I seriously don't know how you can blame the people here for that.


Hi Schiffy,

I'll address them one at a time.

No you don't have to love all film music equally.

What should hard money should be spent on? That's for each of us to decide. After food and shelter it would probably be better to give to the unfortunate than to buy sound track CDs or contribute to a "Dial M for Murder" Kickstarter campaign.

The lack of interest for this campaign? I'm doing my best to change that.

"Striking Distance" score? Yes I would question all non-supporters' love of film music. I'm not familiar with this score but I would contribute the way you did for this campaign.

Detest Tiomkin? That's pretty strong. I can't say that I detest any film composer but I wish everyone has the same broad appreciation of film music that you do to contribute.

Herrmann, Waxman, Rózsa, and a bunch of other Golden Ager? Let's help by supporting this campaign like you did.

Your heart's in the right place.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Maybe I'm the last person to notice this, but I see that the "King of Kings" Kickstarter raised the equivalent of $58,000 with only 35 more backers than "Dial M" has now.

I don't know if that means that that score, or Rózsa, have more passionate fans, or wealthier fans, or that the project was better publicized, better timed, or had better rewards for higher backers… I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know what it means, other than that the problem Intrada has had doesn't seem to be the number of people willing to put up some money, but the amount of money those people were willing to put up. (The minimum pledge for "Kings" was also $15 more, but that difference alone only accounts for a total of $5,000.)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

As I said in Robert's other thread: The wrong person is cheerleading and the cheerleading feels more like badgering and usually has the opposite effect that is intended.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I detest Tiomkin's music. Just this week, I tried putting on my few remaining Tiomkin CDs (I've sold most of them), and they're just nails on a blackboard for me.


Appalling.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Maybe I'm the last person to notice this, but I see that the "King of Kings" Kickstarter raised the equivalent of $58,000 with only 35 more backers than "Dial M" has now.

I don't know if that means that that score, or Rózsa, have more passionate fans, or wealthier fans, or that the project was better publicized, better timed, or had better rewards for higher backers… I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know what it means, other than that the problem Intrada has had doesn't seem to be the number of people willing to put up some money, but the amount of money those people were willing to put up. (The minimum pledge for "Kings" was also $15 more, but that difference alone only accounts for a total of $5,000.)


Everything you say sounds true.

I just wish Roger was trying to save this instead of me. I feel deserted.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Tiomkin when he is doing a western, a travelogue,an adventure film or a film with an exotic location is at his best. Call it what you will; over the top or whatever. I love it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Maybe I'm the last person to notice this, but I see that the "King of Kings" Kickstarter raised the equivalent of $58,000 with only 35 more backers than "Dial M" has now.

I don't know if that means that that score, or Rózsa, have more passionate fans, or wealthier fans, or that the project was better publicized, better timed, or had better rewards for higher backers…



I guess shipping costs play A MAJOR role here as well... with eg 75 USD donation about 1/3 is spent on shipping alone - therefore not counted as actual raised money. That's a big difference when compared with some 3-4 GBP worldwide shipping from Tadlow.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Tiomkin when he is doing a western, a travelogue,an adventure film or a film with an exotic location is at his best. Call it what you will; over the top or whatever. I love it.


Yes... I would be far more eager to suppose Lost Horizon instead of a Hitchcock movie but I still hope some miracle will happen... although I am not overly optimistic...

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I detest Tiomkin's music. Just this week, I tried putting on my few remaining Tiomkin CDs (I've sold most of them), and they're just nails on a blackboard for me.


Appalling.



God forbid someone doesn’t like what you like...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


I guess shipping costs play A MAJOR role here as well... with eg 75 USD donation about 1/3 is spent on shipping alone - therefore not counted as actual raised money. That's a big difference when compared with some 3-4 GBP worldwide shipping from Tadlow.





A lossless download version with no shipping costs should have been an alternative. A hi-res version of the recording is one of the rewards listed by Intrada for a high pledge, so I assume there would be no restriction on offering a lossless download of their own recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I detest Tiomkin's music. Just this week, I tried putting on my few remaining Tiomkin CDs (I've sold most of them), and they're just nails on a blackboard for me.


Appalling.



God forbid someone doesn’t like what you like...




Since you mention God, if there's a Kickstarter to restore a church, I doubt many people would go into the church and shout to the congregation about how they hate God and how reading the bible turns their stomachs.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Since you mention God, if there's a Kickstarter to restore a church, I doubt many people would go into the church and shout to the congregation about how they hate God and how reading the bible turns their stomachs.

That person would be impolite. However, if that person were responding to a parishioner chastising him for not financially supporting the church, and asking him how he can consider himself a good person, that same person might (after it came up a few times) be excused for explaining why God isn't his thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Since you mention God, if there's a Kickstarter to restore a church, I doubt many people would go into the church and shout to the congregation about how they hate God and how reading the bible turns their stomachs.

That person would be impolite. However, if that person were responding to a parishioner chastising him for not financially supporting the church, and asking him how he can consider himself a good person, that same person might (after it came up a few times) be excused for explaining why God isn't his thing.




Hardly. The ungodly one would have no need to be in the church discussing it in the first place, let alone "a few times".

Yesterday (as I posted above) I wrote a note to John Mauceri via friends, drawing his attention to the Kickstarter on the Intrada site and this thread too. Now I'm almost hoping my friends didn't give him the note, for fear he'll read this appallingly negative thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Well, with 64 hours to go, just another 6500 dollars remain. Getting close.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Well, with 64 hours to go, just another 6500 dollars remain. Getting close.

Wow. Two more backers since three hours ago, but a $10,000 jump!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Well, with 64 hours to go, just another 6500 dollars remain. Getting close.

Wow. Two more backers since three hours ago, but a $10,000 jump!


Yeah, just noticed that. Perhaps Basil's tactic of getting John Mauceri to contribute worked.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   profundo   (Member)

I just kicked in another $25. Let's get this thing funded!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Exceptionally good news!!!!! What a boost! The Kickstarter is alive and well and now THRIVING!
We need people who are still on the fence about a pledge to be positive and join us now, before the deadline!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Within touching distance, cool, well done to everyone who raised this figure so far, a mighty effort indeed, i knew the target would be close - i want to see Dial M, fingers crossed.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Well, with 64 hours to go, just another 6500 dollars remain. Getting close.

Wow. Two more backers since three hours ago, but a $10,000 jump!


If you can't figure this out, well... Someone has learned trick one with Kickstarter. And that someone is no one here. Pretty easy. And now it will miraculously fund. smile Good for them.

 
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