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Okay, I've listened to the program, and my feelings still stand--even more so. Again, I'm not interested in friendly support or even a chance to defend what I'm going to say, for my opinion is that of my own, and it doesn't matter if anyone is willing to agree with it or not. I'm just coming with my own feelings over this. Let whatever follows follow.
Robin has clearly had it bad in a financial sense of the word, as least up until recently. He states this himself. Evidently, he has to do like so many others are forced to do in life; they cut whatever corners they need to cut in order to survive. He nearly had me feeling bad for his situations, via his personal anecdotes. And with that, I can--from a emotional standpoint--hope he can get he and his family through any financial hardships that continue to head his way. Now, whether this led to his decision with Slipstream, we may never know. However...
I rightfully expected more depth and explanation in regard to Slipstream. Definitive answers or replies? Certainly not. But why come onto this thread claiming you're going to set the record straight, so to speak, yet the entire Slipstream portion of the interview was Robin consistently tripping over his own paralinguistic cues and offering only what Lukas stated to us from the beginning--that the film master rights were not licensed. In my opinion, he played dumb; he played the innocent victim, as though he had never heard of such a process. Does he even care to read what he signs? Furthermore, he certainly knew the backstory with Slipstream's ownership and previous attempts at a license. Now, he acts naive about the entire history of this score. Yeah, okay. I call bullshit on that story. Look--I can analyze that "interview" all day--which by the way was completely biased from the interviewee's point of view--but I'll just say this: Robin needs to find another job. He has no business sense, especially with soundtracks and contracts. I'm, at last, with Lukas on this one; pack it in, fella. This is not for you.
At the end of the day, Robin did wrong; he cried in the chapel, and now has pushed the studio into a corner, which will see Perseverance reap the benefits that other labels forfeited by trying to play ball with only the appropriately dressed men on the field. So let the flames begin; let the support for Robin's actions begin. I don't care. I know a bullshitter when I see (hear) one.
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I thought it was something like that.
It sounded like Lukas tried to warn Robin that he hadn't cleared all the rights through the proper channels, and Robin. . . disagreed? This issue was certainly NOT a matter of opinion, particularly when you're being advised so from someone such as Lukas, who has successfully produced so many CDs without a problem like this.
If you don't like doing the actual work of being a producer, as difficult, intricate, tedious, even at times IMPOSSIBLE as it can turn out to be, you shouldn't pretend to be a producer.
The chief reason, of course:
It can make things more difficult for the real producers, and that only makes things worse for us movie music fans.
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Maybe it takes a mini-media blitz like this for the owners of Slipstream to see that they have something of value to license after all. Watch Intrada or FSM release it with all legalities cleared in the near future, only to find that it took this little faux paux on Robin's part to jump start an "inexplicably impossible" title getting out there.
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I went to one of the biggest CD stores in Paris when I visited this wonderful city the other weekend... And they had at least a handful copies of Slipstream on display there...
Interestingly, they also had a tiny little section called "MovieScore Media Collection" with a very small selection of our CDs... (all of them properly licenced from the rights owners if anyone wants to know...)
mc
the store you are talking about : isn't it CINEMUSIQUE ? 
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May 11, 2011 - 7:31 AM
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MikeP
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I ... expected more depth and explanation in regard to Slipstream ....Now, he acts naive about the entire history of this score ...
I know a bullshitter when I see (hear) one.
yeah the interview...don't really know what I expected from it, but, it was underwhelming and didn't really do anything that his posts here didn't do. But you know, I'm done with the whole deal. If the label has NOW, finally been able to make an arrangement with the film company, hey that is great. Whichever way it happened, by accident or design, it reflects badly on them. In this case either you're an idiot or shady, not the best choice. But what's done is done. We'll see what happens with the label going forward and wish them the best
Hell I've only listened to the CD once, anyway. Turns out it didn't really bowl me over. 
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So is any other label going to touch this title?
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Dec 30, 2011 - 3:19 PM
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bdm
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Well, just finished reading through this entire thread - I may have to aquire the movie rights (but from who...? - that is intended as a friendly joke). What a journey; what a story:
Excitement at the release, followed by a pack "burn the witch!" mentality after Lukas' first post, followed by a "burn Lukas" mentality following Robin's response, followed by a "what is truth" mentality (well answered by LeHah), followed by... Well, you read the thread...
Conclusions:
Regarding Robin - this Robin fellow made a mistake that is understanable to many of us who have not produced any soundtrack discs, and very annoying and embarrassing to those that have (as it makes them look bad - and hey, if you're talkin' entertainment, then looks definately DO count). Hopefully the error can be ammended for the best for all (Bernstein fans can enjoy the disc, liscence holders will get their due, and all can rest comfortable with the thought that Robin will never make this mistake again).
Regarding Lukas - I have great respect and admiration for our mighty Mr. K, but he is as human as the rest of us; liable to personal likes and dislikes etc. We have seen many times on this board where he comes down very hard on other labels that come out with something he is/has/wanted to do - I classify this as professional jealousy and just plain human venting. Lukas is a great soundtrack producer, a great soundtrack magazine editor, and a great patron of this board, but he is no saint, and to hold him to above human ideals isn't fair as he is as gloriously human as the rest of us, whether looking really good, or not so much (how he has come accoss here is up to you to judge for yourselves).
Regarding us - man we all need to relax, and hold off the fanboy/girl idiocy from time to time (especially times/events like this).
Regarding SLIPSTREAM - great disc, and a nice package; refer to comments under "Robin" for the rest.
And a happy New Year to all!
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Regarding Robin - this Robin fellow made a mistake that is understanable to many of us who have not produced any soundtrack discs . . .
You hit the nail on the head!
To those who have produced soundtrack discs it is incomprehensibly incompetent.
A soundtrack producer's job involves knowing who owns the rights BETTER than the lady who answers the phone. If you don't already know who owns the rights and you're relying on the personal word or knowledge of the various staffers, even the attorneys involved, you simply haven't done the work of being a soundtrack producer. These facts are accessible to producers independently of fallible humans. Getting the indisputable facts about the rights on your own is part of the job.
. . . We have seen many times on this board where he comes down very hard on other labels that come out with something he is/has/wanted to do - I classify this as professional jealousy and just plain human venting.
"Many times"? And not one link to one example? Shame on you, bdm.
Lukas was very specific about what prompted his actions. Robin ignored his advice in the "Slipstream" matter, yet continued to mention Lukas' name in his dealings with other companies, prompting those companies to call Lukas for an explanation. It was just too much absurdly unprofessional behavior at once, and Lukas saw no other way to put a stop to it.
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Regarding Robin - this Robin fellow made a mistake that is understanable to many of us who have not produced any soundtrack discs . . .
You hit the nail on the head!
To those who have produced soundtrack discs it is incomprehensibly incompetent.
A soundtrack producer's job involves knowing who owns the rights BETTER than the lady who answers the phone. If you don't already know who owns the rights and you're relying on the personal word or knowledge of the various staffers, even the attorneys involved, you simply haven't done the work of being a soundtrack producer. These facts are accessible to producers independently of fallible humans. Getting the indisputable facts about the rights on your own is part of the job.
. . . We have seen many times on this board where he comes down very hard on other labels that come out with something he is/has/wanted to do - I classify this as professional jealousy and just plain human venting.
"Many times"? And not one link to one example? Shame on you, bdm.
Lukas was very specific about what prompted his actions. Robin ignored his advice in the "Slipstream" matter, yet continued to mention Lukas' name in his dealings with other companies, prompting those companies to call Lukas for an explanation. It was just too much absurdly unprofessional behavior at once, and Lukas saw no other way to put a stop to it.
I have a novel idea. Let's lay off on the Robin bashing. I've said it before and it bears repeating - I'm no friend or fan of Mr. Esterhammer, but I humbly believe that the time has come to stop beating that dead horse.
There is no 'soundtracks for dummies manual' and several producers have made mistakes in the past and no one is beating their brains for it.
We must also consider that these fellows aren't pals - they are competitors - and as such they may occasionally say things about each other that border on the disingenuous.
So once again, let's please give it a rest and try for some Peace on Earth... What do you say?
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aussi ! 
