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 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I wonder what the majority of negative reviews of the score actually means.

Is this just representing the small community of score fans who prefer other styles of composing?

Or is it representative of a bigger common feeling that the MV sound has become dated and boring?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   stay-puft   (Member)

I wonder what the majority of negative reviews of the score actually means.

Is this just representing the small community of score fans who prefer other styles of composing?

Or is it representative of a bigger common feeling that the MV sound has become dated and boring?


Very very small community of course. The score is hugely successful.
As far as I know Zimmer does read reviews though

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   JDH   (Member)

I saw Man of Steel last night and was tremendously disappointed by it, particularly the script, the portrayal of Zod and the almost total lack of any fun. I can't help but compare it to Star Trek Into Darkness - another sci-fi remake - which was superior in almost every way: character, plot, overall look and, most of all, entertainment.

The one aspect in MoS that I do think they nailed, though, was the music. Hans Zimmer had arguably the hardest job, even more so than Henry Cavill (who, as an aside, I think could be a good Superman with a better script). For me, Williams' Superman: The Movie is the best score ever written. That theme is the most iconically Superman thing there is - even more than Christopher Reeve or red underwear. I can't imagine what it must be like to sit down one day knowing you have to follow that. But what Zimmer produced is very, very listenable with a strong theme for Superman/Clark Kent used throughout. It's probably the only aspect of the movie that sold the dichotomy at the heart of the dual identity. His theme evokes Williams' without being beholden to it and, as a big fan of Superman on screen, I'm delighted that they delivered on one aspect, at least.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I didn't realise Hans 'Zimmerman' is a frequent visitor to Jersey....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-22890485

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Very very small community of course.

People who can actually judge the quality of music, literature, art and film are always in the minority.

Just as there are fewer people who feast on beef bourguignon than those who devour hamburgers.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Very very small community of course.

People who can actually judge the quality of music, literature, art and film are always in the minority.

Just as there are fewer people who feast on beef bourguignon than those who devour hamburgers.


Sounds a bit snobbish, don´t you think?

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Very very small community of course.

People who can actually judge the quality of music, literature, art and film are always in the minority.

Just as there are fewer people who feast on beef bourguignon than those who devour hamburgers.



Mmm, yes!

And a good Amarone to match...!



 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Face it Zimmer-haters: your efforts to convince people not to listen to this score are useless.

It's amazing how many topics are dedicated to this fantastic score.

And lovers of MoS are not ignorant people as you may think, we even know Williams very well (maybe better than you) and like him BUT do not get fossilized on worn patterns.
On the contrary: Absence of themes, non orthodox orchestration, hybrid use of synth orchestra and percussion are normal background of all educated listeners with good music taste.


Here, have a McBurger for good taste. It's extremely nutritious and healthy.

If McBurger is not enough, please also have some Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with its greasy energy.

Afterall, these are all "what contemporary people want" aren't they?

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   TheMarquis   (Member)

Here, have a McBurger for good taste. It's extremely nutritious and healthy.

If McBurger is not enough, please also have some Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with its greasy energy.

Afterall, these are all "what contemporary people want" aren't they?


Why, yes, condescension is the first step in convincing others of your superiority, followed by badgering and endless repetition for days and weeks on end. roll eyes

You don't like the score. You think others who do like the score and others like it are ignoramuses. Congratulations on being an apotheosis of mankind, but give it a rest already. You've sufficiently expressed yourself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   trstnvnk   (Member)

Face it Zimmer-haters: your efforts to convince people not to listen to this score are useless.

It's amazing how many topics are dedicated to this fantastic score.

And lovers of MoS are not ignorant people as you may think, we even know Williams very well (maybe better than you) and like him BUT do not get fossilized on worn patterns.
On the contrary: Absence of themes, non orthodox orchestration, hybrid use of synth orchestra and percussion are normal background of all educated listeners with good music taste.


Here, have a McBurger for good taste. It's extremely nutritious and healthy.

If McBurger is not enough, please also have some Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with its greasy energy.

Afterall, these are all "what contemporary people want" aren't they?


You can't have beef bourguignon all the time, nothing wrong with a McBurger every now and then. But for a snob like you that's probably too difficult to comprehend smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Face it Zimmer-haters: your efforts to convince people not to listen to this score are useless.

It's amazing how many topics are dedicated to this fantastic score.

And lovers of MoS are not ignorant people as you may think, we even know Williams very well (maybe better than you) and like him BUT do not get fossilized on worn patterns.
On the contrary: Absence of themes, non orthodox orchestration, hybrid use of synth orchestra and percussion are normal background of all educated listeners with good music taste.


Here, have a McBurger for good taste. It's extremely nutritious and healthy.

If McBurger is not enough, please also have some Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with its greasy energy.

Afterall, these are all "what contemporary people want" aren't they?


You can't have beef bourguignon all the time, nothing wrong with a McBurger every now and then. But for a snob like you that's probably too difficult to comprehend smile


Yeah sure. I eat shitburger sometime out of necessity but I don't brag about it claiming said shitburger is the second coming of Jesus, because I know better.

If that makes me a snob, then so be it. Better being a snob than being ignorant.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Face it Zimmer-haters: your efforts to convince people not to listen to this score are useless.

It's amazing how many topics are dedicated to this fantastic score.

And lovers of MoS are not ignorant people as you may think, we even know Williams very well (maybe better than you) and like him BUT do not get fossilized on worn patterns.
On the contrary: Absence of themes, non orthodox orchestration, hybrid use of synth orchestra and percussion are normal background of all educated listeners with good music taste.


Here, have a McBurger for good taste. It's extremely nutritious and healthy.

If McBurger is not enough, please also have some Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with its greasy energy.

Afterall, these are all "what contemporary people want" aren't they?


You can't have beef bourguignon all the time, nothing wrong with a McBurger every now and then. But for a snob like you that's probably too difficult to comprehend smile


Yeah sure. I eat shitburger sometime out of necessity but I don't brag about it claiming said shitburger is the second coming of Jesus because I know better.

If that makes me a snob, then so be it. Better being a snob than being ignorant.


BUT there are some ignorant snobs...

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

BUT there are some are ignorant snobs...

QED. LOL! wink

As I said before, the Zimmer fans always get soooooo defensive. It's nothing personal, boys. It's just that your idol's music is simplistic and caters exclusively to uneducated listeners (aka mass audience). I hope Zimmer will at least be crying all the way to the bank.

It's just as well: Hollywood creates these movies for pimply, pizza-munching teenagers with the attention span of fruit flies. They may as well make the same type of music to accompany them.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I feel so weird during this heated discussion: I had become so critical of Hans Zimmer during the last decade - and now I like, even love his MOS score.

According to the majority here that means I am a tasteless, apologetic Zimmerite.

However, I still love, even adore Williams´ SUPERMAN score and prefer every composer from the Silver Age to those people working today.

Is that even possible? Liking both extremes? Am I an anomaly? Do I have to fear the mighty YOR turning against me?

Of course, up to the appearance of all those MOS threads I did think that this is a message board with many possible opinions. Right now, it seems that only one opinion is allowed and the right one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Peter877   (Member)

Ok lets face it, not everbody likes Mr Zimmer, but there are some wonderful parts of this score just not the loud drum stuff. Went to see the film last night and for the second half of the film the "music" was more like a sound effect than melodic. I have bought the 2 cd deluxe version and the soft orchestrations are brill. I must admit liking the Williams themes of the original films but lets face it this is now and I don't think it would work in this context. Who knows perhaps I am mellowing and starting to appreciate some more of Hans Zimmer, we shall see! Meanwhile lets enjoy what we like and accept that you can't please all of the people all of the time. (Sure somebody famous said that once)

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I like a good portion of the score. I'm not apologizing for it either.

However someone on YouTube said that Zimmer's music makes Williams' original score seem childish by comparison. Sorry but that is the dumbest more intellectually vacuous thing I've heard when comparing the two scores. That's like saying Beat It by Michael Jackson is more complex than Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. Yeah, sure.

Williams' Superman, for me, is the greatest score ever written, by anyone. For thematic diversity, harmonic development, stylistic variety, over all dramatic arc, and how it works as a great underscore but also as a modem tone poem unto itself,nothing else can touch this juggernaut. Not even Star Wars IMO because it took three separate scores to do what a single Superman score achieved. It's Williams' crowning achievement and anyone would or should be scared shitless to try to match it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   stay-puft   (Member)

BUT there are some are ignorant snobs...

QED. LOL! wink

As I said before, the Zimmer fans always get soooooo defensive. It's nothing personal, boys. It's just that your idol's music is simplistic and caters exclusively to uneducated listeners (aka mass audience). I hope Zimmer will at least be crying all the way to the bank.


defensive because you insult and name-call all those who listen to Zimmer?

Moreover, would you call Elmer Bernstein an uneducated hack?

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Why? Did he endorse Man of Steel? I think that would be mighty difficult, him being dead and all.

He may have endorsed some of Zimmer's music, but that would have to be the music Zimmer """""wrote""""" before his wall-of-sound days (pre-Gladiator, i.e.). And there were some listenable scores then, albeit not technically superior to the stuff he """"writes"""" nowadays.

Bernstein also repeatedly expressed admiration for James Horner. At least Horner, derivative as he is, is on a completely different musical level technically.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Well there are two types of criticism for the score I've seen.
Some people don't like the theme because they think it is too simplistic. Others don't like the general sound of how the score is mixed, and I fall into the second. Quite possibly I might enjoy this score if it sounded more organic. To me the real instruments, if they are actually used, don't sound natural so I lose interest. Yes the cello and piano used sound normal but any horns in the main theme sound hollow.

That's not to say I think the score doesn't fit the film. It was quite effective when I saw the film and worked well. I don't think a John Williams style score would have fit at all. My main critique is the music doesn't engage me enough for a stand-alone listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I feel so weird during this heated discussion: I had become so critical of Hans Zimmer during the last decade - and now I like, even love his MOS score.

According to the majority here that means I am a tasteless, apologetic Zimmerite.

However, I still love, even adore Williams´ SUPERMAN score and prefer every composer from the Silver Age to those people working today.

Is that even possible? Liking both extremes? Am I an anomaly? Do I have to fear the mighty YOR turning against me?

Of course, up to the appearance of all those MOS threads I did think that this is a message board with many possible opinions. Right now, it seems that only one opinion is allowed and the right one.


No you're not alone. I "liked" MOS score after I've seen the film.

But to call it "brilliant" and a "masterpiece" like some Zimmer fans claim? That's the equivalent of declaring McDonald's as the pinnacle of the art of fine cuisine.

 
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