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Mar 3, 2014 - 8:56 AM
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Ado
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The surprise for me was the song from Frozen. I hadn't heard it before. And all I'd read about it would have led me to believe that it was the greatest song since the heyday of Menken and Ashman. Color me surprised when I heard wannabe pop drivel, tuneless, with awful "empowerment" lyrics and - no ending. If that's someone's idea of a great song, count me out. Then again, the other nominees were much worse. I don't know, call me crazy but Moon River is a great song, Part Of Your World is a great song, Beauty and the Beast is a great song, Love Is a Many-Splendored Thing is a great song - Let It Go - I don't think so, IMO.
I think that Beauty and the Beast is probably the best animated picture score ever. The songs are all so good - I would say perfect, and the score along with it, I mean that movie is remarkably good. Disney has tried to catch up to that bar ever since.
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Congrats to Price. Good choice.
I would have voted for the U2-song from Mandela, but I'm glad "Happy" didn't win. Terrible song.
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Mar 3, 2014 - 11:00 AM
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manderley
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.....Every year this ceremony baffles me more and more. It makes no sense to reward a manager and then not reward the film he has directed, or conversely, to reward a movie and not reward before its director, or 12 years a slave has directed itself?.....
.....and nearly every year I must post the same litany about this: The "Best Picture of the Year" award began, and was formerly known, as the "Best Production of the Year" award. This award goes to what the Academy judges to be the best PRODUCTION of the year. It is the "PRODUCERS" award. The people who are up on the stage to pick up this award are "the Producers". It is THEIR award. The production aspects of a film are very different from the directorial aspects of a film, and vice versa.
The "Director" already has a chance to win in his own category. He wins the "BEST DIRECTOR" award. The "Producer," actually the first in, and most important player in the initiation of a film, has no other category in which to win.
Sometimes the Academy members feel the two categories meet within a given production, and the producer(s) and director win for the same production, sometimes they don't.
Think of it all this way and you'll never have any more baffling moments in your life about the Oscars' "Best Picture" award! 
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Mar 3, 2014 - 11:03 AM
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Ado
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Beck's score is fine, but the film is embarassing -- a weak attempt at ressurecting the Menken/Ashman glory, but just falling flat into maudlin pap. The worst Disney film since the mid 80s.
To see that kitschy affair receive the award over a masterpiece like THE WIND RISES -- Miyazaki's LAST film too -- was borderline offensive.
On the Frozen remarks here..
It is not the best Disney movie by a long shot, but terrible, no. I have seen it twice, and I think that animation is pretty good, in some parts really good. The score works pretty well, and most songs, a few fall a bit flat. I hope no one ever thought Wind Rises had a chance over Frozen, Frozen has an 89% favorable and it just crossed $1 billion. Frozen is enormously popular and well reviewed, whereas I bet at least half the Academy voters, and 90% of movie goers have never seen Wind Rises. The Best Animated category also tips much more the direction of popular taste than Best Picture.
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Mar 3, 2014 - 12:13 PM
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Morricone
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Beck's score is fine, but the film is embarassing -- a weak attempt at ressurecting the Menken/Ashman glory, but just falling flat into maudlin pap. The worst Disney film since the mid 80s.
To see that kitschy affair receive the award over a masterpiece like THE WIND RISES -- Miyazaki's LAST film too -- was borderline offensive.
On the Frozen remarks here..
It is not the best Disney movie by a long shot, but terrible, no. I have seen it twice, and I think that animation is pretty good, in some parts really good. The score works pretty well, and most songs, a few fall a bit flat. I hope no one ever thought Wind Rises had a chance over Frozen, Frozen has an 89% favorable and it just crossed $1 billion. Frozen is enormously popular and well reviewed, whereas I bet at least half the Academy voters, and 90% of movie goers have never seen Wind Rises. The Best Animated category also tips much more the direction of popular taste than Best Picture.
I usually don't chime in here but I have to because I have been a fan of Hayao Miyazaki since The Castle of Cagliostro, and was delighted when he won for Spirited Away. So maybe I was expecting too much from his swan song but I found his final film, The Wind Rises, the least imaginative, most repetitious film from him. I sat and understood why he would want to make a film about Jiro Horikoshi, a designer of planes who cared more about their sheer beauty than their use. So I REALLY tried to get into it but I found he was trying for a sentimentality that Disney tends to go for, and yet the distance Horikoshi has, is shared by Miyazaki, and the final result was neither. Not that there aren't some incredibly powerful sequences, Miyazaki is too great an artist not to have a few of them and, of course, Joe Hisaishi did another sublime score. I was with a fellow Miyazaki fan and we had the rather cynical outlook that the nomination came simply BECAUSE it was his last film. I am glad to see it affected others differently, but unfortunately not us.
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WIND RISES ia a crushing disappointment. Simultaneously Miyazaki's most beautiful, banal and boring film. Like Japan itself, it's terrified of confronting its war crimes, let alone any culpability and responsiblity, and comes across as a bizarre fantasia about a boy-man who wants to fly. I truly miss the Miyazaki of far edgier and interesting fare like NAUSICA and MONONOKE before he essentially became an artsy children's director. Further hampering WIND is a made up love story that might only hold note as the first movie he's made where the characters have offscreen sex. A lame way to go out at the height of his art. But that being said, Hisaishi's score is beautiful, as always. The invigorating FROZEN absolutely deserved the award.
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Mar 3, 2014 - 1:24 PM
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Thor
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I'm more annoyed by the outright SCANDAL in the animation category, where the drivel FROZEN won over Hayao Miyazaki's final masterpiece THE WIND RISES. That's about the most bollocks award I've seen in years.
Well, if you'd like an explanation...
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-season-focus/definitive-proof-that-academy-voters-are-ignorant-about-animation-96680.html
Yes, that certainly explains a lot.
THE WIND RISES wasn't Miyazaki's best film, for sure, but it was miles ahead of any of the other contestants in the category -- the charming ERNEST AND CELESTINE coming out in second place, but quite a bit down. I particularly loved his channeling of Matisse in the drawings, a somewhat different style than what we've seen before.
I like a lot of of what Disney has been putting out in recent years, but FROZEN was a serious misstep, IMO. They tried to replicate the magic of the Menken era, but failed miserably. It was cheesy, campy, kitchy, what-have-you. Sure, the animation was impressive (as always) and Beck's music was good, but the story, the characters and the tone felt like I was watching a Hollywood-sugared version of the Eurovision Song Contest! Not good.
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I'm more annoyed by the outright SCANDAL in the animation category, where the drivel FROZEN won over Hayao Miyazaki's final masterpiece THE WIND RISES. That's about the most bollocks award I've seen in years.
Well, if you'd like an explanation...
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-season-focus/definitive-proof-that-academy-voters-are-ignorant-about-animation-96680.html
Yes, that certainly explains a lot.
THE WIND RISES wasn't Miyazaki's best film, for sure, but it was miles ahead of any of the other contestants in the category -- the charming ERNEST AND CELESTINE coming out in second place, but quite a bit down. I particularly loved his channeling of Matisse in the drawings, a somewhat different style than what we've seen before.
I like a lot of of what Disney has been putting out in recent years, but FROZEN was a serious misstep, IMO. They tried to replicate the magic of the Menken era, but failed miserably. It was cheesy, campy, kitchy, what-have-you. Sure, the animation was impressive (as always) and Beck's music was good, but the story, the characters and the tone felt like I was watching a Hollywood-sugared version of the Eurovision Song Contest! Not good.
A billion dollars and Oscars for Best Animated Film and Song begs to differ.
So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood
MV
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