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 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

My short review of Lair. Sounds great on CD. Love the extra music. There was one cross-fade that I thought was a bit glaring. The concert suite was sweet though unfortunate that there was audience clapping a third of the way through it. (It took some work to edit that out.) There's clapping at the end which I will probably just fade out. I see no way of exercising it without coming to an abrupt end. The synth demo tracks are cool and surprisingly good. Kinda gives you an idea what this would have sounded like if Zimmer did the score. wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Henry Jones   (Member)

LAIR is such an amazing release: a beautiful package, great liner notes from Jeff Bond and the sound is simply phenomenal! Easily one of the best scores of 2007 finally on CD, and a direct entry in my own 2014 top of re-editions!
Buy it while it's available; with such qualities and only 2,000 copies, I expect to see this one becoming a very fast seller!

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

This is my idea of a perfect score. Every note resonates. Every note is perfect. As Amadeus would say, it has just the right amount of notes. wink If one loves Ben Hur, Conan, Empire Strikes Back, this is the score for you.


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

The concert suite was sweet though unfortunate that there was audience clapping a third of the way through it. (It took some work to edit that out.)

Personally what bothers me more is the very 'distant' sound quality, especially coming right after the wonderful in your face sound of the rest of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

The concert suite was sweet though unfortunate that there was audience clapping a third of the way through it. (It took some work to edit that out.)

Personally what bothers me more is the very 'distant' sound quality, especially coming right after the wonderful in your face sound of the rest of it.


Oh my god! Are you two serious?! It's an f'n concert suite! Of course it's going to sound distant compared to the studio recorded material, because it's a public concert venue! And removing the claps? The fact that you feel the need to do that to a CONCERT recording is more unfortunate than the people clapping at the concert because they enjoyed the performance.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The concert suite was sweet though unfortunate that there was audience clapping a third of the way through it. (It took some work to edit that out.)

Personally what bothers me more is the very 'distant' sound quality, especially coming right after the wonderful in your face sound of the rest of it.


Oh my god! Are you two serious?! It's an f'n concert suite! Of course it's going to sound distant compared to the studio recorded material, because it's a public concert venue! And removing the claps? The fact that you feel the need to do that to a CONCERT recording is more unfortunate than the people clapping at the concert because they enjoyed the performance.


To each their own, but I don't like the clap. wink Oh and for the record there are plenty of stunning concert recordings. This isn't one of them. But hey it's a cool bonus.

BTW, Battle For Asylia fraking ROCKS! If only that was tracked onto the climax of Captain America Winter Soldier.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Got mine today! big grin
Love hearing all the new stuff

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   TheMarquis   (Member)

Yeah, the concert suite doesn't sound as good as the rest of the album, but that doesn't bother me because it's really a bonus. The part where the choir and kettle drums kick in at the Diviner Battle section gets me every time.

Sound is great, art is great, notes are great. In the past, I've described this music to friends as a "pissed off Star Wars," and when I read Jeff Bond's appraisal of Debney's music as "Star Wars meets Conan," I thought that was exactly right.

I've been waiting since 2007 for this release and I've been enjoying it every day since it arrived on my doorstep. It's been great to discover bits of music that are still unfamiliar to me. Many thanks to MV and Dan Goldwasser and everyone at LLL for finally making it happen, and especially to Mssrs Debney and Kaska for writing such a kick-ass score!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 10:59 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


Oh my god! Are you two serious?! It's an f'n concert suite! Of course it's going to sound distant compared to the studio recorded material, because it's a public concert venue!


You clearly haven't heard properly made live recordings. This isn't one of them. I would wager it was never really meant to be released.
And it's not just the distant sound but the contrast is so extreme it's overly jarring.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Mine arrived Saturday, and GOOD GRIEF this is fabulous. I have the older iTunes version, but this one just blows it out of the water.

Beautiful, powerful music, lovely package design, great liner notes... man... this is a wonderful album.

This should be a blind buy for anyone...I can't imagine someone not falling in love with this.

Thanks, LaLa and everyone involved. Stunningly good stuff.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2014 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Received tracking #

I only regret not having ordered the UNKNOWN KNOWN. An hypnotic Danny Elfman score and finally not so elfman-style (reminds me the first Korzeniowski)!
Next month (wallet empty)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2014 - 12:14 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Received Lair yesterday. Oh wow, so much better than the iTunes version and so much better than the gamerip I had.

One of Debneys finest scores and it's beautifully presented and sounds absolutely amazing.
I really hope this sells well for LLL as this is a score that should appeal to a vast majority of score fans.

Out of interest, if LLL ever read this, is this a score LLL were aware of from 2007 or is it something which they investigated after people kept bringing it up as something they would like to see released?

Oh and completely separately YSH also turned up yesterday. Two of my most wanted scores released around the same time and arrived together. Only dilemma was which to listen to first.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Congratulations for "Lair" release ! Is awesome!

I have one little question for LLL Records about "Battle for Asylia" cue.

This version on LLL disc is longer than iTunes version and i think lost some choral elements from finale moments of the cue. Is that different version, recording, or Debney own prefference to include another version of thos track ?

And one more question - why final music (destroy the tower) is missing in this release ?

Best, Michal

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Congratulations for "Lair" release ! Is awesome!

I have one little question for LLL Records about "Battle for Asylia" cue.

This version on LLL disc is longer than iTunes version and i think lost some choral elements from finale moments of the cue. Is that different version, recording, or Debney own prefference to include another version of thos track ?

And one more question - why final music (destroy the tower) is missing in this release ?

Best, Michal


I thought that track was missing choral as well. I just chalked it up to my imagination. It's such an awesome cue though that I don't mind this version. Though I would have loved the the choral version too.

Edit: Love the end of Diviner Battle which has an Empire Strikes Back vibe!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

iTunes version of "Battle for Asylia" with choir is great. In my opinion this cue with choir should be on LLL album too...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

I don't think that was real choir, though.

Karol

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

There is many different elements in few tracks in LLL "Lair".

"Battle for Asylia", "Firestorm", "Darkness Theme" and few others tracks have different elements than iTunes release. Why this tracks are different or changed comparing to previous release?

Best, Michal

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

There is many different elements in few tracks in LLL "Lair".

"Battle for Asylia", "Firestorm", "Darkness Theme" and few others tracks have different elements than iTunes release. Why this tracks are different or changed comparing to previous release?

Best, Michal

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

There is many different elements in few tracks in LLL "Lair".

"Battle for Asylia", "Firestorm", "Darkness Theme" and few others tracks have different elements than iTunes release. Why this tracks are different or changed comparing to previous release?

Best, Michal


I seem to remember reading the iTunes version is the composers "album" release of the material which is different from the actual game score. Just like an LP soundtrack can be different from the film tracks. I'm guessing LLL release is the music as composed for the game. (recording sessions?) Hopefully someone in the know can deny or confirm this.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

I think iTunes version isn't composers album because Debney was not happy with track chronology. Ik very happy and i love this LLL release, but is good to know where these many differences come from. And who decided about this ? LLL or John Debney himself ?

 
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