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Jun 10, 2014 - 2:09 AM
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Cody, I don't know who owns Duel in the Sun now - possibly Warners? If so, it won't happen with us. And I have no idea who owns Return to Paradise, but I recall a 10" soundtrack album that might muddy those waters.
DUEL IN THE SUN is part of the Selznick film library which was once owned by ABC. The ABC assets (along with the network) were eventually bought by Disney, so that is where the Selznick library now resides. Regarding this score, I've recently heard a private CDr (2 CDrs, actually) which appear to come from a music/fx track for the entire film. Sound effects are present from time-to-time, particularly in crowd noises in the early cantina sequence and the later massing of the cowboys to confront the building of the train as led by Lionel Barrymore, but surprisingly, these effects seem to enhance the experience---if you know the film---rather than detract from it. I was very surprised by the sound quality of the material and I suspect it comes from the film-based music/fx track rather than from acetates. I think that with a very good sound person overseeing and re-working this, it could be a first-rate release---allowing for the sound effects, of course. It certainly gives a good overall filmmusic experience and there seems to be quite a lot of music "in the clear". As a special note, the "soundtrack" album on a 4-disc double-sided 78rpm set, was a re-recording conducted by Arthur Fiedler and released on RCA in 1947. To the best of my knowledge this set was never issued (officially) on LP or CD, though there have been some bootleg transfers.
As for RETURN TO PARADISE, the film is owned by MGM Entertainment today (as part of the old United Artists library). The original 10" release of the score---as narrated by Gary Cooper---was on Decca records, both as a 10" Lp and a set of 45 EPs. If one could obtain access to the Decca library (which seems to be problematic these days), it's possible there might reside in the vaults a master of music only, such as with the case of the narrated ISLAND IN THE SKY from this 1953 period, which was discovered by (was it Varese?) who eventually put out an LP which included the narrated and un-narrated version. Cooper's narration was obviously written and recorded after the film's production inasmuch as the dialog appears not to be lifted from the actual soundtrack. Maybe there's a music only, and a narration only, and a mixed music/dialog track in the Decca vaults. We could only hope.
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Jun 10, 2014 - 8:35 AM
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cody1949
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Cody, I don't know who owns Duel in the Sun now - possibly Warners? If so, it won't happen with us. And I have no idea who owns Return to Paradise, but I recall a 10" soundtrack album that might muddy those waters.
DUEL IN THE SUN is part of the Selznick film library which was once owned by ABC. The ABC assets (along with the network) were eventually bought by Disney, so that is where the Selznick library now resides. Regarding this score, I've recently heard a private CDr (2 CDrs, actually) which appear to come from a music/fx track for the entire film. Sound effects are present from time-to-time, particularly in crowd noises in the early cantina sequence and the later massing of the cowboys to confront the building of the train as led by Lionel Barrymore, but surprisingly, these effects seem to enhance the experience---if you know the film---rather than detract from it. I was very surprised by the sound quality of the material and I suspect it comes from the film-based music/fx track rather than from acetates. I think that with a very good sound person overseeing and re-working this, it could be a first-rate release---allowing for the sound effects, of course. It certainly gives a good overall filmmusic experience and there seems to be quite a lot of music "in the clear". As a special note, the "soundtrack" album on a 4-disc double-sided 78rpm set, was a re-recording conducted by Arthur Fiedler and released on RCA in 1947. To the best of my knowledge this set was never issued (officially) on LP or CD, though there have been some bootleg transfers.
As for RETURN TO PARADISE, the film is owned by MGM Entertainment today (as part of the old United Artists library). The original 10" release of the score---as narrated by Gary Cooper---was on Decca records, both as a 10" Lp and a set of 45 EPs. If one could obtain access to the Decca library (which seems to be problematic these days), it's possible there might reside in the vaults a master of music only, such as with the case of the narrated ISLAND IN THE SKY from this 1953 period, which was discovered by (was it Varese?) who eventually put out an LP which included the narrated and un-narrated version. Cooper's narration was obviously written and recorded after the film's production inasmuch as the dialog appears not to be lifted from the actual soundtrack. Maybe there's a music only, and a narration only, and a mixed music/dialog track in the Decca vaults. We could only hope.
Thank you, Manderley for your detailed comments. I can only hope that some record label will check further into the possibilities of a DUEL IN THE SUN release. Intrada has a connection with Disney.Perhaps something could be worked on from that end.
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First, I think it is AMAZING that Kritzerland is releasing this soundtrack. It's a remarkable score, especially hearing Tiomkin's original compositions. For the record, I agree with the cuts early in the score that Capra made (the telegram and Mr. Gower boxing George's ears). The redemption music is something else - an unfortunate decision to replace.
One thing about the picture has always piqued my interest. In at least two subsequent radio adaptations Victor Moore played Clarence. Henry Travers was decidedly a second-tier player. I've always wondered if Victor Moore was originally wanted by Capra to play the angel but was unavailable due to scheduling (he was doing IT HAPPENED ON FIFTH AVENUE around the same time). Just a puzzlement on my part.
Bravo Kritzerland!
I don't have the answer, but I honestly can't think of anyone who would play Clarence better than Travers - inspired and perfect casting. I also loved him in Shadow of a Doubt.
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We've sold about a thousand of these puppies and I haven't even heard from several overseas dealers yet.
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Can't say I'm surprised, Bruce. Congrats!
Yavar
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) to make people aware this is potentially sold out (or sold out from your store).
