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 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Figures, right? I'll take the thousand in unmarked bills. OR marked. You know, whichever.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

12% of the score heard in little bits and pieces -- time to write it off!

True. Still, the first impression makes me wonder why Howard wanted Banos when he actually wanted a generic Zimmer-like score.

Banos has created such memorable, haunting music before which certainly would have fit with an epic adventure story like this one.


Seriously. If you want Zimmer and can't get him, he's created an army of composers who will give you that sound. Why waste the talent of someone like Roque Baños by making him sound like someone else? Same goes with Patrick Doyle on THOR and PLANET OF THE APES.

So sad.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)



Seriously. If you want Zimmer and can't get him, he's created an army of composers who will give you that sound. Why waste the talent of someone like Roque Baños by making him sound like someone else? Same goes with Patrick Doyle on THOR and PLANET OF THE APES.

So sad.

James


I'm pretty sure Roque was not forced to do this film. He chose to and its his job to deliver whatever is asked and if he didn't want to he could easily have said no to the project.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   hyperdanny   (Member)

Same goes with Patrick Doyle on THOR and PLANET OF THE APES.

So sad.

James


oh, my..I remember when I saw Planet of the Apes ..I could not believe that was a job from the same pen who wrote Henry V , La ligne droite or Needful Things....indeed: so sad.
Damned be Zimmer and his clones/minions for wrecking this art.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

If they didn't adapt their styles, these composers may have ended up in the "Whatever Happened To..." camp.

Maybe they like what they are doing. They've had many years of traditional composing, they may well like these new opportunities to "progress" their music, even if it doesn't go down so well with everyone here.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

If they didn't adapt their styles, these composers may have ended up in the "Whatever Happened To..." camp.

Right-o. The problem is the FILMMAKERS want generic crap, or stuff that sounds just like what everyone else is doing.

As a director, I just can't wrap my head around this notion. You wouldn't tell your actors, "Be merely serviceable." You wouldn't say to a DP, "Don't let your images have distinction or flair." You wouldn't tell a production designer, "Make the sets look like what every other movie in this genre looks like."

So why in the flying f*ck is it okay for music, one of the most powerful STORYTELLING tools there is, to go through this meat grinder...?

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Same goes with Patrick Doyle on THOR and PLANET OF THE APES.

So sad.

James


oh, my..I remember when I saw Planet of the Apes ..I could not believe that was a job from the same pen who wrote Henry V , La ligne droite or Needful Things....indeed: so sad.
Damned be Zimmer and his clones/minions for wrecking this art.


You know... Zimmer isn't maliciously destroying film music. It's not his fault if the sound and style he introduced into certain genres 20 years ago made such an impact that many filmmakers want that sound for their movie. Zimmer didn't plan to somehow infiltrate film composing back in the 80's with a diabolical scheme to "ruin" it over the course of 30 years. Get a grip on reality, all art forms change over time and they don't always change in a direction you personally enjoy, it's just a fact. Film and film music made shifts over the last few decades, we can all discuss what works and what doesn't, but Zimmer is not some puppet master gleefully burning it all down.

I'm so tired of fan outrage.

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2015 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

You know... Zimmer isn't maliciously destroying film music. It's not his fault if the sound and style he introduced into certain genres 20 years ago made such an impact that many filmmakers want that sound for their movie. Zimmer didn't plan to somehow infiltrate film composing back in the 80's with a diabolical scheme to "ruin" it over the course of 30 years. Get a grip on reality, all art forms change over time and they don't always change in a direction you personally enjoy, it's just a fact. Film and film music made shifts over the last few decades, we can all discuss what works and what doesn't, but Zimmer is not some puppet master gleefully burning it all down.

I'm so tired of fan outrage.


So shines a glimmer of sense in a crazy world.

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2015 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

I'm ready to love this film with all my heart (I'm reading the book right now and like every page so far), but I admit that the few samples I've heard were not too fascinating. But it has to be said that any seafaring score has very serious competition to face...
In any case, I will wait for the film and will make up my mind about the music then.

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2015 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

You know... Zimmer isn't maliciously destroying film music. It's not his fault if the sound and style he introduced into certain genres 20 years ago made such an impact that many filmmakers want that sound for their movie. Zimmer didn't plan to somehow infiltrate film composing back in the 80's with a diabolical scheme to "ruin" it over the course of 30 years. Get a grip on reality, all art forms change over time and they don't always change in a direction you personally enjoy, it's just a fact. Film and film music made shifts over the last few decades, we can all discuss what works and what doesn't, but Zimmer is not some puppet master gleefully burning it all down.

I'm so tired of fan outrage.


Very well said. Especially the part about all art forms changing over time. To my ears, these newer scores, at their best (meaning the most effective scores in the most effective films), work just as well to support their films as scores of previous generations. There is in general less of musical interest - or at least of musical variety, and theme and development - in scores like this than in the busily-composed scores of yesteryear. But that does not make one genre better and the other worse, it just makes them different, and everything else is personal taste.

One more point - Banos was praised when he sounded like Herrmann, but dissed when he sounds like modern film scoring? That's making a pretty fine distinction between what kinds of music it's ok to ape.

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2015 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

I've sometimes get a feeling "modern film scoring" is often lumped together when being criticised in this generic manner, which often isn't the case. It's just that some styles maybe subconsciously influencing the film music audience to tar everything with the same brush, rather than seeing that there is still plenty of variety out there, and it doesn't all sound like it's come from Zimmer's production line.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2015 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

This score could easily be from the Zimmer production line if you just look at the first few tracks of the score. Then it turns into a gorgeous thematic score once the action dies down. I'll have to trim it down to find the right set of cues that I can stand versus those that I think are fairly typical action that aren't memorable.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   MattyT   (Member)

This score could easily be from the Zimmer production line if you just look at the first few tracks of the score. Then it turns into a gorgeous thematic score once the action dies down. I'll have to trim it down to find the right set of cues that I can stand versus those that I think are fairly typical action that aren't memorable.

Totally agree. The last half of the score is great. If you trim out the standard action cues, it turns into a great listen.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I'm pretty sure Baños is on the film because of the whole shoot in Spain/must use a Spanish composer thing that's going on right now. It's why Brian Tyler didn't score Fast & Furious 6, for instance.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Stéphane Humez   (Member)

I'm pretty sure Baños is on the film because of the whole shoot in Spain/must use a Spanish composer thing that's going on right now. It's why Brian Tyler didn't score Fast & Furious 6, for instance.

This is exactly the case. It's the only reason HZ didn't score it. He chose Roque himself actually...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

It´s actually a pretty good score. The samples don´t do it justice. If you like Banos, give it a chance!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2015 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Machionic   (Member)

Chronological order for those who care:

Arriving Nickerson's Lair
Meeting Old Nickerson
Chase Walking Nantucket
Farewell
Young Nickerson
Essex Leaving Harbor
The Knockdown
Blows
A Thousand Leagues Out
Lower Away
The Attack
Abandon Ship
Lost at Sea
The Second Attack
Desert Island
Finding the Dead
Separations
Stand Off
Homecoming
The Story Is Told
The White Whale Chant
End Credits (alternate version)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2015 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I saw this yesterday & quite enjoyed it (despite the huge liberties taken with the true story), but I could see why it's a bit of a flop. As for the music, what a middling non-event, it did nothing for the film, they'd have probably done better with a bit of library music. This film really needed a big strong score, & no doubt 40-50 years ago it would have got it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2015 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

I saw this yesterday & quite enjoyed it (despite the huge liberties taken with the true story), but I could see why it's a bit of a flop.

That's exactly how I felt. Lots of craftsmanship in many respects, but it doesn't really click as a whole. Which is a shame, because the story is great material and Howard is a gifted director, and the photography and sets were very enjoyable.
What I can say is that a friend who didn't know the story absolutely hated the second part of the film, whereas I knew how the story went and found the time in the whale boats not grating at all - I guess because I knew that it was the terrible build up for events to come.

I'm a big fan of seafaring soundtracks and agree with you: A few decades ago this film would have been prime material to deliver such a score. But these times seem to be gone (for now). It's quite a shame, especially as for my taste, there hasn't been developed an "updated" approach to seafaring scoring yet. Carter Burwell might be a good candidate, or Christopher Young, and Christopher Gordon for sure (although he went for a more eclectic approach in MASTER & COMMANDER).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2015 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   brofax   (Member)

This film really needed a big strong score, & no doubt 40-50 years ago it would have got it.

It would also have been shot in CinemaScope/Panavision or even Ultra Panavision 70. An "Epic sea adventure" shot in 1.85:1 is positively claustrophobia inducing.

 
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