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 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)



He admitted he had a drinking problem and has publically demonstrated it in the past.
Bruce



Yes, but read his last paragraph.


But we have to take this word at it. Now, I believe him, personally. But I've also known three alcoholics and two of those lied about drinking (among other things) again.


You said it.
Not me.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Did i mention he is a PUBLIC personality?
A legend?
So the reactions suit the man.
B

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I'm wondering how long it will be before Peggy Lipton weighs in.

After tea time one presumes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

FWIW, I have zero problem with his language. And, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect.

I have seen many interviews with Jones, and this one seemed very different to me. Perhaps it's the way it was transcribed.

I don't think it's beyond pale to make note of this. I didn't mean it as a criticism, more of an observation. As others have said, there are a lot of people online making similar observations. Some may indeed have bad intentions. I can't speak to that.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

To me, this is an excellent interview, full of interesting insights. The swearing is what it is. It doesn't take anything away from Quincy's comments. I don't find it offensive, though on TV, Q is a little more cautious with his use of language. I read somewhere that Quincy had stopped drinking on advice from his doctor so I don't believe he was intoxicated and he confirms in the interview that he stopped drinking two years ago, but he was very honest and clearly feels he has little to lose. As I said previously on another thread, I love most of Quincy's film scores and a number of his non film albums. Much of his film work is sublime, The Deadly Affair, The Pawnboker, The Evie Sands song from 'John and Mary', The Getaway, The Anderson Tapes, In Cold Blood etc etc .

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I love that cue at the end from HOT ROCK after they finally pull off the theft.
Is there a link anywhere?
Thx.
B

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

And I found nothing wrong with his vocabulary. Perhaps a Mayberry version of the interview will be published one day.
MV



Well then go take a verbal dump on the rest of the media world because they are all poking fun at him too.
Or is it just too easy shooting the fish in this particular barrel?


Very easy, especially when your implied racism in your post is glaring.

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I love that cue at the end from HOT ROCK after they finally pull off the theft.
Is there a link anywhere?
Thx.
B


Well here's the full album, long out of print.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2BOYUp3Ibo

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I love that cue at the end from HOT ROCK after they finally pull off the theft.
Is there a link anywhere?
Thx.
B


Well here's the full album, long out of print.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2BOYUp3Ibo


Bless you!

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Very easy, especially when your implied racism in your post is glaring.

MV



Exactly which post is it you are referring to, MV?
I'm especially interested to know if it's the phrase "street cred" and, if it is, then why you think it has some specific race attached to it.
But I am giving you a chance to clarify--maybe it was something else.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Most interviews are part of a publicity campaign, so you don't necessarily get the truth, you just get some nice stuff about what an interesting movie it was to work on and how everyone was very interesting to work with, etc.

How we wish more interviews that were unvarnished.

Here we have an interview where a music legend just tells the truth about how he feels about things. That's so rare.

Some folks don't like it, so they criticise the language or, as MV has said, point at an agenda, or drunkenness or dementia.

Y'know what, I don't "like" everything he said. I love the Beatles. I wish he'd talked more about film music. I would love to know what he thinks of Barry, Williams, Goldsmith, Morricone.

But I don't read interviews to have my ego stroked and my preferences validated, I read them because I'm interested in what he's got to say.

Don't feel like you have to take a very personal bite at him just because you don't like what he says.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)





Indeed, though he did say "Ireland" and not "Dublin". I must be honest, where I live and much the rest of the country ain't that Cosmopolitan. I'm not drawing the conclusion that it's even remotely racist however.





There was a time back in the nineties when it was fashionable (Bob Geldof did it a lot) to point up the fact that many Irish of the Celtic Tiger boom were expressing disdain at a flood of immigration, just as it seems the world is doing generally, sadly. Sir Bob used to say that 'The Irish of all peoples on this earth have no business being unwelcoming of strangers', given their emigrations to everywhere. Of course this wasn't applicable to the vast majority of Irish people, just the usual nouveaux bourgeoisie bunch, and a few old-fashioned '18th Century inferiority complex' throwbacks in Dublin higher echelons.

Cities like Galway are very cosmo too.

In the North of course, the sort of people who'd be bigoted or racist were of exactly the stratum who were too busy with internal bigotries to direct it outwards! There's only so much libidinal energy you can summon for hatred! Plus, with good folk leaving, the intelligent, the adventurous, the ambitious, and outsiders afraid of 'The Troubles', immigration there was low for a time. But of course, as ever, the majority of folk were 'decent' as everywhere else.

So Bono has been using this 'fashion' trend. But a guy from NY would never think of Ireland as racist in some big sense, or dangerous. Even at the height of the Troubles in NI, statistics showed you about 10 times more likely to be shot in NY! QJ would be mobbed by fans if he hit Dublin or Belfast.

And Bono should wise up. This of course would deter QJ from any Irish gigs, should he ever tour.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Justsumcrustydude   (Member)

To me the only interesting thing he said was about Bernard Herrmann. The Beatles thing sounded like envy. Michael Jackson wasn't no Beatles, baby.

But then, the Beatles weren't Stevie Wonder.....

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

To me the only interesting thing he said was about Bernard Herrmann. The Beatles thing sounded like envy. Michael Jackson wasn't no Beatles, baby.

But then, the Beatles weren't Stevie Wonder.....



In the early days The Beatles were slick at songwriting, not virtuosity. George Martin taught them production values. He is talking about Ringo... I think it was their innovation of close-harmony singing blended with electrics that got them off the runway, then they had the talent to go on a quick learning curve.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Justsumcrustydude   (Member)

To me the only interesting thing he said was about Bernard Herrmann. The Beatles thing sounded like envy. Michael Jackson wasn't no Beatles, baby.

But then, the Beatles weren't Stevie Wonder.....



In the early days The Beatles were slick at songwriting, not virtuosity. George Martin taught them production values. He is talking about Ringo... I think it was their innovation of close-harmony singing blended with electrics that got them off the runway, then they had the talent to go on a quick learning curve.


I don't think most people would think of any of the Beatles as musicians on a par with Jones, Wonder (let alone Chick Corea). It's as you said imo; they already had the knack for great songs, but with Martin they seemed to have found their greatest benefactor...probably mentor.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

African American musicians of a certain age group generally viewed not only the Beatles but all British Invasion rock/pop/blues groups as frauds who were making a lot of money playing what was essentially black music - and very poorly at that. It was suddenly OK for the masses to like this music, as long as it was played by cute white British boys. Sonny Boy Williamson reportedly said, "These British boys want to play the blues real bad - and they do."

Considering Jim Crow and everything else that black people in the US had been enduring for centuries, the gripe was legitimate.

I suspect that many who read the interview know Jones primarily as Michael Jackson's producer and have no idea what a long and varied career he had. If Q wants to swear and take a few swipes along the way, he earned it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Justsumcrustydude   (Member)

I'm just saying he should have talked about Bernard more wink smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'm just saying he should have talked about Bernard more wink smile

Think of how many more copies the interview would have sold! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Justsumcrustydude   (Member)

I'm just saying he should have talked about Bernard more wink smile

Think of how many more copies the interview would have sold! wink


HUGE smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2018 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

African American musicians of a certain age group generally viewed not only the Beatles but all British Invasion rock/pop/blues groups as frauds who were making a lot of money playing what was essentially black music - and very poorly at that. It was suddenly OK for the masses to like this music, as long as it was played by cute white British boys. Sonny Boy Williamson reportedly said, "These British boys want to play the blues real bad - and they do."

Considering Jim Crow and everything else that black people in the US had been enduring for centuries, the gripe was legitimate.
B
I suspect that many who read the interview know Jones primarily as Michael Jackson's producer and have no idea what a long and varied career he had. If Q wants to swear and take a few swipes along the way, he earned it.



Wrong.
Williamson earned $$$$$$$ from having his song in TOMMY . Many more had career boosts from Brit bands. Do some research.

 
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