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If I am perfectly honest, one personal aspect of WagnerAlmighty that *has* affected me is the fact that she is a working composer.
Wait, what?
I must have missed something because I've been waiting for an opportunity to hear some of WA's work.
Where can go to I hear it?
Seriously?
WA or anyone? No links to anything?
I'm so sorry, I think you or someone else wrote about this earlier. I'm hoping to share more about me in the hopefully not too far future. However...I'm just one of those people who loves being anonymous, I really love mystery (part of the reason why I overwhelmingly prefer pre-Internet music and Kultur in general). I also highly value my privacy.
Please just give me some more time to loosen up, and accept my apologies for being so reticent.
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Pardon me for saying so, but I don't see what time or loosening up have to do with it.
If you describe yourself as a working composer (or, rather, allowed Yavar and others to continue thinking that you are), where is the work?
The curiosity would not exist in the first place had you not been so enthusiastic with your own unsolicited self-descriptions.
And I can't stress enough, no one is seeking to discredit you.
But some evidence would seem to be appropriate (and very likely enjoyed, I might add).
I mean all respect, but respecting someone's wish for privacy is a good thing.
I've never once said I was any kind of great or even really good composer, so I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
If it makes things more acceptable, perhaps I should state that what I write...you're way better off listening to your favorites.
I'm a person who likes distance. If people don't trust me or believe who I am (and I didn't take your letter that way, my friend), there's nothing I can do about it.
Everyone handles things differently; I only ask that you please respect my idiosyncracies.
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Mar 10, 2018 - 1:02 PM
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Octoberman
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I mean all respect, but respecting someone's wish for privacy is a good thing.
I've never once said I was any kind of great or even really good composer, so I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
If it makes things more acceptable, perhaps I should state that what I write...you're way better off listening to your favorites.
I'm a person who likes distance. If people don't trust me or believe who I am (and I didn't take your letter that way, my friend), there's nothing I can do about it.
Everyone handles things differently; I only ask that you please respect my idiosyncracies.
Fair enough, but the claims were from you.
There are clearly stated in your profile.
Over the years, there have been many examples of music posted by members, quite a few of whom create it just for the enjoyment of it, without any pretensions of working in the business or resulting in any lack of their privacy whatsoever.
Lack of privacy on the internet only happens because it's somehow invited.
That is both the blessing and the curse of The Anonymous Internet. Anyone can say anything but, without validation, it's unavoidably taken with a healthy grain of salt.
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There are clearly stated in your profile.
That is both the blessing and the curse of The Anonymous Internet. Anyone can say anything but, without validation, it's unavoidably taken with a healthy grain of salt.
Well I hope so! All that's stated in my profile is that I'm a composer, arranger, etc. All that has to do with being a composer and nothing to do with anything remotely suspicious.
I mean, I am a composer...but that doesn't mean the same thing as it did back when I was growing up. Today I see kids all over who saw Dark Knight or Wonder Woman, picked up some sample libraries and from there call themselves composers. Hey, whatever lifts their skirt.
Stated with absolutely no offense intended: I'll share my work when I'm darn good and ready, because that's my prerogative. If folks don't like that or what I say and do, if they do lend credence to things I say...that's their prerogative. Live and let live.
And...I have liked you since I've been here Octoberman, so I'm going to sign off on this off-topic, with utmost respect.
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Mar 10, 2018 - 1:32 PM
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Octoberman
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Well I hope so! All that's stated in my profile is that I'm a composer, arranger, etc. All that has to do with being a composer and nothing to do with anything remotely suspicious.
I mean, I am a composer...but that doesn't mean the same thing as it did back when I was growing up. Today I see kids all over who saw Dark Knight or Wonder Woman, picked up some sample libraries and from there call themselves composers. Hey, whatever lifts their skirt.
Stated with absolutely no offense intended: I'll share my work when I'm darn good and ready, because that's my prerogative. If folks don't like that or what I say and do, if they do lend credence to things I say...that's their prerogative. Live and let live.
And...I have liked you since I've been here Octoberman, so I'm going to sign off on this off-topic, with utmost respect.
Your candor is appreciated.
I hope I was able to get my point across (without acrimony or implying suspicion--that was your word, not mine) that the curiosity was a direct result of what you said and where you said it.
For example, if my profile said I was a plumber, no one on a film music website would give a tinker's cuss*.
But say the same thing on a plumber's discussion board...
(* Except for being asked occasionally about the best way to safely unclog a toilet!)
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Edit: Have you made that comparison between the 'amplitudes' of the two scores? 
(embarrassed) I apologize, I lost the context!
Slime of selfiedom is sooo good, can I steal that? 
Alien vs TMP: Sounds like a tired Alien spin-off. They're both sci-fys about Alien interdiction/infestation. It seems clear that the alien was approached very much from an organic point of view, considering the non-standard instrumentation chosen for that project, while Vger was given the 'twangy' treatment. JG must have realized he needed some variety between two closely separated projects. It seems obvious now, but when faced with that blank sheet of paper . . .
Slime of selfiedom is pure entrée of boiled dog. See, you got me ranting at the dinner table.
Your way with words is seriously cool! '
And WHOA Alien vs. TMP. Eeek! I'm almost scared to even touch that...I can say, however, that Alien is a far more experimental and dissonant work than is TMP (to me that's one of the differences that makes BOTH scores so great).
TMP tinkers more with Romantic and neo-classical sounds, while Alien is very much 20th century; one could say the variation is from Germany to Austria (by way of Hollywood), respectively.
It might be more specific to simply refer to JG scores: TMP is more along the lines of the wonderful Blue Max (while obviously being both more epic and somewhat more involved), while Alien seems to be related to Freud, PotA.
Specific composers? TMP is Schumann, Ravel (one could argue Richard Strauss' less hugely orchestrated works as well)...that realm. Alien is Schoenberg, the more dissonant Bartok, maybe even Ligeti (though the last was profoundly influenced by the two before).
Forgive me if I misunderstood the question (yet again DUH!).
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I was a plumber, no one on a film music website would give a tinker's cuss*.
But say the same thing on a plumber's discussion board...
(* Except for being asked occasionally about the best way to safely unclog a toilet!)
Wait, could we have a quick round of plumber appreciation here, please? I mean, we're talking about charging up to hundreds of dollars per hour...what's not to appreciate?
Thanks so much for trying to understand, my friend.
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I was a plumber, no one on a film music website would give a tinker's cuss*.
But say the same thing on a plumber's discussion board...
(* Except for being asked occasionally about the best way to safely unclog a toilet!)
Wait, could we have a quick round of plumber appreciation here, please? I mean, we're talking about charging up to hundreds of dollars per hour...what's not to appreciate?
Thanks so much for trying to understand, my friend.
Well, that's a complete misreading of the usage of the metaphor.
But it was as clear as I could make it.
I was just being silly, forgive.
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I must admit, it was hard for me not to lock right into the Varese Magic. I love the book and liked the movie, but the score is probably better than either. The love theme is one of JG's most gloriously beautiful pieces in my opinion. Glad I passed up on the LLL in that case, though I'm not used to saying that.
I'm confused why...no one has said a bad word about the LLL reissue, which was the same program as the Varese, except they added the one 25 second missing cue and IMO greatly improved the packaging thanks to the magic touch of designer Jim Titus. Heck, if I knew you wanted the Varese I would have been happy to pass along my copy to you, since I replaced it with the LLL when they had a sale a couple months back.
Yavar
This is interesting, and I'm a bit bummed that I didn't read your letters more carefully.
One face-melting with a side of blown mind, coming up!
And that's how I am since finding it in the mailbox yesterday. There are scores and then there are SCORES.
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Once , I got slammed down for lackluster Korngold appreciation..
Dusted myself off and kicked wrinkled Golden age butt!
That has never happened and will never happen. The Golden Age is way above your pay grade.
Oh dear.
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I finally got ahold of another copy of this incredible meisterwerk. I think this, just as much as POTA and STTMP, proved just how artistic film scores could be.
No wonder other composers were afraid of him, he was so imaginative, so creative a genius...he refused to write the "straight" scores that John was known for, there always had to be something edgy and at least somewhat challenging to Jerry's music.
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I suppose one of the stand out things of the original Alien score is how it still comes across as an orchestral score even though there are all those gaps that make it unlike an orchestral score. Yes, there is melodic content, but that is not my point. It has large tracts that don't sound like symphonic score, yet, that is precisely the closest thing I'd label it as. Is that a form of bias or is it not really? It's like the sheer skill of the musicians coaxing out the Goldsmith sound while working in his shadow held that sense of continuity in the music whether there were long discrete periods of slowness and short discrete periods of fastness. It still amazes me how JG managed to hold onto traditional symphonic scoring methods whilst having an intense interest in electronic means and methods and never really sold out the historical roots of his craft whist remaining ever the experimentalist. This score pretty much sums all that up for me. I guess.
As much as I love POTA and Total Recall (the score), I sometimes wonder if Alien really was JG's masterpiece of groundbreaking exploration. He put all the elements together to make something both entertaining and profound...so much of Alien has gone on to hugely impact that genre it's amazing.
Close Encounters can't compare imo. I love more than a little Williams, but I rarely got that adventuring, pioneer spirit in his compositions.
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