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 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

This negativity sparked my latest post.

Geesh!!

sd smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

To me it isn't even a film score.

It is pretty bad I agree. Plus a ton of it uses themes from the first movie which may or may not have been written by Klaus Badelt. So, I wonder just how many composers contributed to this one in total then, including those that contributed to the themes from the first film... 10...? 12...?

Could it be THE single most generic, composing by committee score ever written?

John

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Supervising Music Editor . . . . . . . . .MELISSA MUIK
Music Editor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .JULIE PEARCE
Assistant Music Editor . . . . . .KATIE GREATHOUSE
Additional Music by
LORNE BALFE TOM GIRE
NICK GLENNIE-SMITH HENRY JACKMAN
TREVOR MORRIS JOHN SPONSLER
GEOFF ZANELLI
Featured Musician . . . . . . . . . . . .MARTIN TILLMAN
Supervising Orchestrator . . . . . . . . .BRUCE FOWLER
Orchestrations by
WALT FOWLER RICK GIOVINAZZO
KEN KUGLER SUZETTE MORIARTY
Music Preparation . . . . . . . . . . . . . .BOOKER WHITE
Score Recorded & Mixed by . . . .ALAN MEYERSON
Additional Recording by . . . . . . .SLAMM ANDREWS
JEFF BIGGERS
AL CLAY
On-Camera/Pre-Record
Musicians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .CRAIG EASTMAN
JAMES S. LEVINE
MICHAEL LEVINE
FRANK MAROCCO
Orchestra Conducted by . . . . . . . . . .PETE ANTHONY
Orchestra Contractors . . . . . . . . . . . . . .SANDY DE CRESCENT
PETER ROTTER
Ambient Music Design . . . . . . . . . . . . .MEL WESSON
Technical Music Assistants . .THOMAS BRODERICK
LARRY MAH
PETER OSO SNELL
GREG VINES
MATT WARD
Score Recorded at . . . . . . . . .SONY SCORING STAGE, Los Angeles, CA
Scoring Stage Crew . . . . . . . . . . .ADAM MICHALAK
GREG LOSKORN
MARK ESHELMAN
BRYAN CLEMENTS
Music Production Services . . . . . . .STEVEN KOFSKY
Music Mixed
at . . . . . . . . . .REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCTIONS
Studio Coordinator . . . . . . . . . . .CZARINA RUSSELL
Featured Vocalist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .DELORES CLAY
Choir Master . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .JENNY O’GRADY
Choirs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .METRO VOICES
THE CHOIR OF THE KING’S CONSORT
Choir Conducted by . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ALISTER KING
Choir Contractor . . . . . . . . . . . . .ISOBEL GRIFFITHS
Choir Recorded by . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .GEOFF FOSTER
Choir Recorded at . . . . .AIR LYNDHURST STUDIOS
ABBEY ROAD STUDIOS
Production Coordinator for Mr. Zimmer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ANDREW ZACK
“Two Hornpipes” Written by Skip Henderson

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 11:19 PM   
 By:   Cricket853   (Member)

quote "Additional Music by
LORNE BALFE TOM GIRE
NICK GLENNIE-SMITH HENRY JACKMAN
TREVOR MORRIS JOHN SPONSLER
GEOFF ZANELLI"

Now, that last name (Geoff Zanelli) would be totally unknown to me if it were not for the TV mini-series "Into the West". He gets full credit for that wonderfully, awesome score which may never see a commercial release. I don't know what portion of the new Pirates he did and I particularly don't care, but this guy should get some credit for what he composed for the mini-series. Beautifully scored, and right now can only be enjoyed by watching the DVD's. You who have not heard the score are really missing something, IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

POTC2 is only 9.99 on amazon right now.

Earlier this week it was just $7.99 in the iTunes Music Store, though it's $9.99 now. Pricing error, or release day sale pricing? Who knows...

I think if I were getting it I'd "have" to get the Best Buy version to have the bonus tracks, though I really wish they'd abandon vendor exclusives.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

this guy should get some credit for what he composed for the mini-series. Beautifully scored, and right now can only be enjoyed by watching the DVD's. You who have not heard the score are really missing something, IMO.

Well, he got an Emmy nomination yesterday for his work on it, so that's certainly some credit, regardless if he wins or not.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2006 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)



I think if I were getting it I'd "have" to get the Best Buy version to have the bonus tracks, though I really wish they'd abandon vendor exclusives.



I ordered it from BB.com and no bonus cues so it must be a store only exclusive.
I heard they are only 2 more mixes anyway.
sd smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2006 - 12:23 AM   
 By:   Meh   (Member)



To me it isn't even a film score.


I don't really think it's an opinion of whether or not POTC 2 is a film score. It is a film score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2006 - 1:23 AM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Well I liked the music a whole lot better in the movie than on the album...at least there are a few motifs one could extract from this score, as opposed to most of the summer scores we've heard this year. I love the Sparrow theme and the central "Pirates" theme sounds more orchestral this time around -- overall I felt the score is over the top and bombastic, but works just fine in the movie.

I also find the Badelt situation interesting. I think we can safely assume now that Zimmer wrote the original Pirate themes as Badelt receives no credit at all on this album -- outside of a co-composing credit with Zimmer on the techno remix bonus track. Certainly all the original themes are reprised here, and they're more effectively conveyed this time around as well with less synths on the whole.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2006 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Cricket853   (Member)

quote: "Well, he got an Emmy nomination yesterday for his work on it, so that's certainly some credit, regardless if he wins or not." SoundtrackNet

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. A well-deserved nomination. Maybe this recognition (expecially if he wins) will spur a commercial release. Can only hope.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

What a tragically bad score for a disappointing let down of a movie. You can't deny the fact that Klaus Badelt actually had talent. Shame greedy Hans had to take away a project from his protege becuase it made money and he's a greedy monopoliser. Karma is going to KILL Zimmer.

I loved the Davey Jones bass cello thing, but that's only because it was a passable imitation of the kind of stuff Mancini was doing before Zimmer was born.

God, if only they had a real composer like Geoffrey Burgon or John Scott scoring this movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Shame greedy Hans had to take away a project from his protege becuase it made money and he's a greedy monopoliser. Karma is going to KILL Zimmer.


Yadda yadda yadda, more criticism based on pure speculation. "Greedy Hans had to take away a project from his protege because... he's a greedy monopoliser"? Where do you come up with this crap?

According to Badelt in several interviews, he stated that he didn't want to work on any of the Pirates sequels because he's not interested in scoring sequels period. I'm paraphrasing from memory, but I believe the quote went along the lines of "I've already scored a Pirate movie, why would I want to do another one?"

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

Where's John Addison's "Swashbuckler" ?
Damn you Universal!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Let's all just say what people have been dancing around -- the original PIRATES was all based on Zimmer's uncredited themes, and that the second score is leaps ahead in terms of class and quality.

Watching the movie I couldn't help but notice that Zimmer once again excels at what he does -- his music is slick, firmly in his personal style, and supportive of the picture. This is a big, hulking Bruckheimer entertainment machine, and no sound works better for that.

Ryan

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Ellen   (Member)

Once again, as with the first movie, I have to report that the average filmgoers I saw it with especially appreciated the music.

No, it's not great music (and I am no Zimmer/MV/whatevertheheckitisnow fan), but it seems to please the groundlings.

BTW, I really can't understand the indifferent/lukewarm reviews this second PIRATES movie is getting. I saw it last night and found it a most worthy sequel, sticking very close to the winning formula of the first movie by bringing back almost all the characters, having them get endlessly separated, reunited, switching boats, tricking and lying to each other, and all that sort of fast-paced fun, and somehow they came up with 2 1/2 hours worth of pirate-story cliches not used in the first movie. (I thought they had used up everything in the first film but apparently not.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I'm surprised at the seemingly negative response by many critics to the cliffhanger ending. It's no surprise that POTC 3 is coming out, so who really expected the 2nd film to wrap up neatly? Its structure reminded me a bit of The Empire Strikes Back, with certain characters fates hanging in the balance. Hell, they do it every week on some TV shows.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I surprised at the seemingly negative response by many critics to the cliffhanger ending. It's no surprise that POTC 3 is coming out, so who really expected the 2nd film to wrap up neatly?

To me, POTC2 was a complete re-tread (structurally) of The Matrix Reloaded. They knew a third (and final) installment was coming so they used the 2nd film simply to build to the third. I mean... am I missing something or... well... they needed a key to open a chest... they found the key... they opened the chest... they took the contents (no spoilers) out... the item was stolen... That, as far as I could tell, was the entire plot. The remaining 130 minutes was pure waffle and sillyness (not that there's anything wrong with waffle and sillyness but it's gotta have SOMETHING pulling it together)

John

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

You're right, it does seem to be one big set-up for the sequel. But again, that's not very surprising, considering it's most likely the middle of a trilogy. I think this is one of those cases where it will be appreciated once all 3 are released. It has no beginning because it picks up where the last one left off, and it has no end because the whole story (POTC 2 and 3) is too long for a single movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Let's all just say what people have been dancing around -- the original PIRATES was all based on Zimmer's uncredited themes, and that the second score is leaps ahead in terms of class and quality.

Exactly. There's no "Original Themes by Klaus Badelt" credit on the album or in the movie, so that's what I got out of it. Great summer fun as well, very much the kind of entertainment I hoped Superman was going to deliver.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2006 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

I'm surprised at the seemingly negative response by many critics to the cliffhanger ending. It's no surprise that POTC 3 is coming out, so who really expected the 2nd film to wrap up neatly? Its structure reminded me a bit of The Empire Strikes Back, with certain characters fates hanging in the balance. Hell, they do it every week on some TV shows.

The critics might be negative but audiences seem to love it -- a lot of online reaction is overwhelmingly positive and the crowd I was sitting in cheered madly at the very end.

 
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