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They did that with THE WRONG BOX and I have heard some very good, clean transfers of the original LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER LP, so it's clearly possible.
If it was me, I'd release an LP transfer plus the mono complete score as released on the Network Blu-Ray. That mono complete score isn't especially satisfying in terms of sound quality, but honestly I've heard worse sounding elements get released.
Cheers
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Loads of vinyl copies available here starting at $1.99:
https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/4721361?ev=rb
Very interesting,but I hate vinyl and I don't have the equipment to burn it on to a CD. I would rather see a label do the transfer using the latest equipment.
The better let it be Intrada - and not Varese 
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Roger said above that the LP master is missing.
Exactly: they could release a CD using a mint copy of the LP.
Alex
As I am sure you are aware this was done several years go by a German bootleg company with results that were of a first class sounding quality CD. So there is no reason why it could not be done legit . The same company released Night Games on CD with a much improved sound quality over the Silva release.
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Aug 6, 2018 - 9:02 PM
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Alex Klein
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Ok, I actually just finished watching this movie for the first time ever and took notes regarding Barry's score. I don't know if i've just wasted two hours of my life, but what the heck. Perhaps the folks at Intrada will reward my efforts by letting me write the liner notes to their upcoming LP re-issue of this score  .
Seriously, though, here's a list of all the key material that is missing from the MCA LP. In summary: the most obvious piece is Tonto's theme, nowhere to be found on the LP, although to be fair with Barry, he certainly didn't think it was worth it and he was probably right. However, I cannot believe he didn't include the upbeat music from the last showdown scene (1:29:30), because it has the best rendition of the 'Valley Chase' theme and a kick-ass variation of the five note intro to 'The Man in The Mask'.
Finally, I took note of two source cues that are barely audible, but they certainly sound like Barry wrote them. One is heard deeply buried in the background during John's chat with his brother, and it sounds like a barrel organ playing a melody in the style of Stephen Foster (a clear nod to nineteenth century U.S.). The other is an acoustic guitar source to underscore the Lone Ranger's questioning at a tavern to the man who betrayed the rangers. Definitely in the Barry style.
The movie itself wasn't terrible, and I am a little surprised it flopped so badly. True, Amy's character disappears from the movie halfway through for no particular reason, and the script has some god-awful dialogue. After Ulisses S. Grant's ass is saved by the Lone Ranger and Tonto, you'd think he'd have some compassion for Tonto's indian tribe, but all the screenwriter could come up with was this piece of dialogue (seriously, I couldn't believe these lines):
Ulisses S. Grant: Tonto, I thank you, and I salute you.
Tonto: Thank me by honoring your treaties with my people.
Grant: Yes. We will try.
Anyway, here is the breakdown of the cues missing from the LP. All in all, most of them were too short for inclusion in the soundtrack release, except for the aforementioned, rousing piece at the end. If you ask me, i'd still welcome an LP re-issue recorded straight from a mint copy of the vinyl, although I seriously hope the masters for the whole score show up one day because there's enough good material to warrant a complete release.
(P.S.: What do folks here think of the inclusion of the 'William Tell' overture in the movie? I honestly think it sounded a bit out of place, and Barry certainly could've orchestrated it to match the sound of his own score).
14:05 - 14:52 --> Restrained variation of the 'Valley Chase' theme. / The stagecoach is robbed.
19:38 - 21:56 --> Barely audible source music, in Stephen Foster style. / John and his brother have a chat.
21:57 - 24:44 -- > Variations on the 'Valley Chase' theme (with military snare drum and trumpet), and ominous underscore. / Cavendish executes his own men.
32:25 - 34:24 --> Eight-note suspense motif on strings, with woodwinds and vibraphone accompaniment. / The rangers search for Cavendish's gang.
34:38 - 36:55--> 'Brothers' theme variation, and continuation of the suspense motif, with brass climax. / The search keeps going.
37:00 - 37:25 ---> Suspense motif, coupled with forte brass to announce the battle between Cavendish and the rangers.
41:07 - 43:05 --> Short, minor key variation of "The Man in The Mask" theme, to underscore the scene of the dead rangers.
43:13 - 43:51--> Nine-note french horn fanfare/theme in eolic mode to introduce the adult Tonto character, along with tremolando strings.
44:21 - 45:22--> Solo flute: 'Man in the Mask' variation when Tonto finds out that the unconscious ranger is actually his childhood friend/brother, and then helps cure him.
46:08 - 46:55--> Tonto's theme in solo alto flute, and 'Man in the Mask' intro. / John discovers Tonto, as an adult.
47:51 - 49:26 --> 'Man in the Mask' variation, and 'William Tell' motif. / John sees Silver for the first time.
49:36 - 50:17 --> Tonto's theme in alto flute and strings (the eolic mode is clearly used by Barry to evoke American Indian philosophy). / Tonto explains to John the advantage of using silver bullets, and the meaning of silver for his own tribe.
50:53 - 51:47 --> Silver's theme: lyrical, seven note melody on the strings. / John admires Silver, and talks to him.
1:00:00 - 1:01:30 --> Guitar source for tavern scene. Definitely written by Barry. / The lone ranger confronts the traitor who delivered the rangers to Cavendish's men.
1:01:47 - 1:03:51 --> Suspense motif, strings and snaredrum. / Tonto is told he will be hanged.
1:11:03 - 1:11:29 --> New six-note brass motif. / Cavendish's gang approaches the train that carries president Grant.
1:15:34 - 1:16:22 --> A new suspense motif in strings, clearly related to the first suspense motif. / Grant realizes something's wrong.
1:29:30 - 1:31:16--> Upbeat version of 'Man in the Mask' and the 'William Tell' motif. / The cavalry arrives to Cavendish's lair, and the final showdown takes place.
1:33:04 - 1:33:28 --> Four note variation of 'Valley chase' theme. / John decides to spare Cavendish's life.
1:33:55 - 1:34:40 --> 'Man in the Mask' theme and 'William Tell' motif in strings. / Grant wonders "who is that masked man?", and the end credits roll.
Alex
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If it help's this is the totality of what exists in MONO, in film order:
Presentation Card — 0:31
John Taken In By Indians (with vocal) — 1:47
John Taken In By Indians (without vocal) — 1:47
Main Title (without vocal) — 1:32
Dad Comes Back — 1:15
Main Title (with vocal) — 1:30
John and Amy Meet (with vocal) — 1:47
John and Amy Meet (without vocal) — 1:48
The Valley Chase — 0:33
The Chase Ends — 0:46
John and Amy Arrive at Del Rio (with vocal) — 1:02
John and Amy Arrive at Del Rio (without vocal) — 1:03
Brothers — 2:06
Inside the Cabin — 2:18
Butch Cavendish (with vocal) — 1:53
Butch Cavendish (without vocal) — 2:49
The Cavendish Gang Strikes — 2:06
Rangers Search for the Gang — 1:15
More Searching — 0:42
If Something Happens To Me — 0:43
More Searching — 1:20
Lining Up For Ambush — 0:18
Where Is He Now? — 0:11
Let's Get Out Of Here! — 0:16
Aftermath (with vocal) — 1:57
Aftermath (without vocal) — 1:59
Tonto Finds The Ambush Site — 0:40
Tonto Recognises John — 1:05
John Awakens (with vocal) — 0:48
John Awakens (without vocal) — 0:50
John Meets Silver (with vocal) — 1:36
John Meets Silver (without vocal) — 1:37
Silver Bullets — 0:43
Look At Him — 0:56
John Tries To Ride Silver — 3:08
The Lone Ranger Is Born — 1:55
The Masked Man (with vocal) — 0:33
The Masked Man (without vocal) — 0:33
Guitar Source — 1:31
The Cavendish Train Plot — 2:06
Tonto To The Hangman (with vocal) — 0:38
Tonto to the Hangman (without vocal) — 0:39
Those Cavendish Boys (with vocal) — 0:29
Those Cavendish Boys (without vocal) — 0:29
You Should Have Gone To San Francisco — 1:04
To The Train — 0:28
Switched Lines — 0:51
On Cavendish's Trail (with vocal) — 0:27
On Cavendish's Trail (without vocal) — 0:27
Dynamite — 2:02
Cavalry Charge — 1:46
To Kill or Not — 0:25
Please Allow Me To Remain Anonymous — 0:46
Who Is That Masked Man? (with vocal) — 1:03
Who Is That Masked Man? (without vocal) — 1:02
Total time: 65:51.
The 'vocal' is of course Merle Haggard, sometimes singing sometimes just narrating to music.
Cheers
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Aug 7, 2018 - 4:11 PM
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Alex Klein
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Thanks for this breakdown, Alex. I also thought the film wasn't all that bad, with gorgeous production values. I was one of the seven people who saw it in the theater! :-)
Watching the film on blu-ray recently (and having lost the LP many years ago) I was surprised to find Barry actually quoting the Rossini overture, though so subtly, and in his style, it's nearly unrecognizable. Still, I couldn't believe I didn't pick up on that before. Then again, I'd not heard the music in 25 years or more ....
You are welcome.
I suppose what really killed the movie was the producer's lawsuit against Clayton Moore, coupled with the doubling of the main actor's voice. Other than that, I thought this film was miles better than a lot of the junk you see nowadays getting good revenue.
Alex
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