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 Posted:   Feb 9, 2009 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

As bad a film as LT:BIA was, it was nice to have Jerry working with Joe Dante on what turned out to be his last film. Yeah, we all would have liked his final project to be something like L.A. Confidential, but Goldsmith was, to the very end, the consumate professional, never letting the terrible film he was currently assigned to let him do any less than his best to elevate it.

As for Timeline, never saw the movie (when Goldsmith's music got junked, I said "Nah, not gonna se this one..."), but the score is robust, exciting, and proved that Goldsmith still had the mad skillz to pull off some of the best Hollywood action music even after nearly 50 years in the business. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2009 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

As for Timeline, never saw the movie (when Goldsmith's music got junked, I said "Nah, not gonna se this one..."), but the score is robust, exciting, and proved that Goldsmith still had the mad skillz to pull off some of the best Hollywood action music even after nearly 50 years in the business. smile

And (according to reports) feeling absolutely ill throughout it all. But Jerry was always a professional.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2009 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Talos   (Member)

Of his last few scores, I really liked Hollow Man... very nice! What I like about Timeline; the last big action cue... what I don't like, that silly sounding horn (?) sample. It sounded goofy and strange/toy like. Could have been much better that particular sound... a la Klingon or something. (didn't he use that strange instrument, 'the Serpent' for the Klingon music) Should have used that one.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2009 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

it's a bit of a shame that his last score was LOONEY TUNES- BACK IN ACTION...

I disagree. While the loss of Jerry is something filmscore may never recover from, could you think of a more appropriate good-bye than the last three scores he did being for the director who got him his sole Oscar (Richard Donner, Timeline), one of his best known franchise scores (Star Trek) and one of his biggest colaborationists (Joe Dante)?

A perfectly bittersweet farewell if there ever was one.


Well remembered and put. For sure, we as fans would have loved a Taxi Driver-type swansong for Jerry, with everybody coming to the haunting realization that this was the man in his biz, and then properly acknowledging his greatness. Alas, this didn't happen. For us, his fans, we are thereby charged with the task of keeping his memory alive and being better salesmen for Jerry than he was for himself. We owe this to him as far as I'm concerned--in appreciation for all the gifts he gave us, as well as, a la Burt Lancaster's "Moonlight" Graham in Field Of Dreams, all the gifts he left behind for us to continue to discover.

When it comes to Jerry himself, I can't imagine he would have wanted his career to end any differently. Like I believe Richard Kraft indicated in the commemorative issue of the magazine, it was therapeutic for Jerry, coping with his illness, to be surrounded by artists with whom there was so much mutual respect, trust, and love. For his curtain call, thus, Jerry got what he wanted; the true fan accordingly celebrates the twilight of his career for the storybook ending it was. Heck, his last cue was even, "That's All, Folks!"

All joking aside, though, everybody who loved Jerry and his music wishes there had never been an ending to his story. As we commemorate what would have been his 80th birthday, something for so long I was certain he'd surely be around for, there's no denying the void still felt from his absence. Perhaps many of us will never be as excited about the contemporary world of film scoring as we were while Jerry was with us, writing something special and memorable at every turn, even when fighting for his very life. In eulogizing Jerry, L.K. suggested that the composer's drive and the subsequent devotion from his admirers could be attributed to a seeming desire to please people just like we are, even if working on "utter crap." As the now-likewise late Sandy Courage said at Jerry's funeral, dedication to the craft was Jerry's life. Maybe beyond the scores themselves, this level of devotion is Jerry Goldsmith's great legacy. Good scores will continue to be written--and have been. But there was an almost-intangible, stamp of loving care to Jerry's work that served as a quite personal term of endearment.

It wasn't just that he was a giant.

It was that he was our giant.

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2009 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

Outstanding, Dan. Thank you for the beautiful summary of why Jerry matters so much to us.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2009 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

in appreciation for all the gifts he gave us, as well as, a la Burt Lancaster's "Moonlight" Graham in Field Of Dreams, all the gifts he left behind for us to continue to discover.

Thats such an utterly perfect comparison that I've gone through a tissue or two here at work already...

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Luigi   (Member)

TIMELINE is one of the best action score he has done at his last days, IMO. I was listening to that last night and I was surprised how rich and full of little motifs he developed throughout the score. I love the main theme even with that weird horn and PREPARE FOR BATTLE/VICTORY FOR US is a terrific action music. My favorite too smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

IMHO, the last great Goldsmith is the opening music for The Sum of All Fears.. with those latin chorus and the travel of the bomb... nice music!

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Of his last few scores, I really liked Hollow Man... very nice! What I like about Timeline; the last big action cue... what I don't like, that silly sounding horn (?) sample. It sounded goofy and strange/toy like. Could have been much better that particular sound... a la Klingon or something. (didn't he use that strange instrument, 'the Serpent' for the Klingon music) Should have used that one.

See, it's that odd ram's horn that really hooks me on the score.
It's kind of the central instrument in a way - to illustrate the struggle between past and present.
It's used primarily for the Dekker character who was stranded in the past and has gone insane. For his character, Jerry gives the horn a twisted, electronic sample which perfectly illustrates this guy's dilemma - he's pretending to be from the medieval time period, but is totally out of place - hence an ancient horn - played as an electronic sample.

The horn motif is played - sans keyboard - for the actual knights and soldiers from that time period.

The most exciting part of the score (for me) - the final climax - has the organic and electronic horns struggling for dominance.


And now, my shamelss youtube plug:

Check out Jerry's score against the picture here:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PetroxExplorer&view=videos&start=20

in particular - the final climax "Victory For Us" (split in two parts)

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlzyTBai5kA&feature=channel_page

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlXYSt5cpZU&feature=channel_page

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Trent   (Member)

Crap I knew I should have gotten this when I had the chance. I guess I'll have to resort to evilbay now. Was this a Limited Edition title? If not why did it go out of print?

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Crap I knew I should have gotten this when I had the chance. I guess I'll have to resort to evilbay now. Was this a Limited Edition title? If not why did it go out of print?

"I knew I should have gotten this when I had the chance."

Folks, DON'T let this happen to you!

By the by, why is it "Evilbay?" No body puts a gun to your head to bid on anything there... the way some people think...

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Trent   (Member)

That still didn't answer my question...was it a Limited Edition run? If not why did Varese let it go out of print?

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)


By the by, why is it "Evilbay?" No body puts a gun to your head to bid on anything there... the way some people think...



 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

That still didn't answer my question...was it a Limited Edition run? If not why did Varese let it go out of print?

No, it wasn't limited. As to the last query, why does any release go out of print? Market saturation? Lack of sales? Ask Varese Sarabande. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I've always wondered, considering Timeline is a Paramount film, how Varese was able to get this one out in the first place.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

A Most Moving Bravo 2 U, Dan Department:

Your eloquent appraisal was less a final epitaph as an infinite appreciation. Along with LOTR (Lukas of the Realm) and Meester Bond, among others, you are - always have been and still remain - one of the most articulate and inspiring wordsmiths



celebrating Herr Gold-Standard's ever-lasting artistry ... smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I've always wondered, considering Timeline is a Paramount film, how Varese was able to get this one out in the first place.

Dunno, but I know Jerry stated he really wanted his fans to hear it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   natedogg_23   (Member)

Crap I knew I should have gotten this when I had the chance. I guess I'll have to resort to evilbay now. Was this a Limited Edition title? If not why did it go out of print?

I have an extra one, would be willing to work out a trade if interested. You can contact me natedogg_232323(at)hotmail.com

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Trent   (Member)

I sent you an email Nate.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2009 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Timeline and Hollow Man to me marked very refreshing comebacks for Goldsmith's action and sci fi mode with some pretty thick writing, particularly in Hollow Man.

Hollow Man is an underrated masterpiece. Fan-tastic through and through. One of the few OSTs I'm content with as well.

 
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