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 Posted:   Jul 9, 2010 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Sometimes. But on many occasions to save the studio a buck they would do the album version with a reduced orchestra. Sometimes they'd be done on the very same stage as the soundtrack was done. But on many other occasions the studio would book an independent recording studio.

With Tiomkin's LP version of "The Old Man and the Sea," they recorded it using a much smaller orchestra than heard on the soundtrack on a smaller stage adjacent to the WB scoring stage. Warner Brothers did lots of albums on that smaller stage.


I'm missing a beat here. Wouldn't that buck be saved if they didn't do an altogether different recording with any other sort of orchestra at all? It seems that creating more work has to be for a concrete reason? Then again, I'm jumping to conclusions a bit.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2010 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Oops, I've finally done it. Double post.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2010 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Ed Nassour   (Member)

Sometimes. But on many occasions to save the studio a buck they would do the album version with a reduced orchestra. Sometimes they'd be done on the very same stage as the soundtrack was done. But on many other occasions the studio would book an independent recording studio.

With Tiomkin's LP version of "The Old Man and the Sea," they recorded it using a much smaller orchestra than heard on the soundtrack on a smaller stage adjacent to the WB scoring stage. Warner Brothers did lots of albums on that smaller stage.


I'm missing a beat here. Wouldn't that buck be saved if they didn't do an altogether different recording with any other sort of orchestra at all? It seems that creating more work has to be for a concrete reason? Then again, I'm jumping to conclusions a bit.


Think about it. Using 60 or 70 musicians for the album means more fees going to the AFM. They take a film score and cut the number of players in half, book it into a far cheaper room and in the end save a few bucks.

The way to really save is to forgo Hollywood entirely and record out of state or better yet, out of the country. This was done with the LP and CD version of John Williams' "The Fury." The actual soundtrack was done on the Fox stage with a large group. The LP was done in London using just as large a group, but with altered orchestration. There was a later limited edition CD that featured both versions. I believe it sold out quickly. Now there's a terrific score.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2010 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Yeah Rich, from what I've learned on the boards that thought did actually register after I'd hit enter. Its all done by numbers. Sort of pre credit-crunch crunching. Thanks for the banter.

Edit: I still have the LP for The Fury. Unfortunately, I missed out on getting the fuller, more recent version. Just have to keep watching that space.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2010 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Now, I must be weird, but I saw this film on the big screen on its first release. I went with my brother and parents, and we all thought it was brilliant! One of the best movie experiences ever! Then I went out and bought the soundtrack, and it was the greatest thing ever! Loved all that eclectic mix of smoochy romance, jangly action, groovy Shaft stuff, majestic but pensive wrap-up, suspense noodlings and rumbling effects.

EARTHQUAKE was one of the best films ever made, and the John Willliams album was also sheer brilliance.

P.S. - I recently caught some of the movie on the telly and it seemed to have shrunk a bit in brilliance.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2010 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I saw the film when it came out too and also thought it was brilliant! Having seen it in recent years it's quite cheesy but still has some very good effects, the best being Victoria Principal in a tight T-shirt.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2010 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Timmer, I remember that too (or those two) from way back, when my hormones existed. I suppose we had Sensurround, but a bit of 3D wouldn't have gone amiss.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2010 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I think they missed a trick there. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2010 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)



Does anyone know approximately how much music is in the film
that was not included on the LP and Varese cd?

Den

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2010 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Harrison Castleberry   (Member)

Does anyone know approximately how much music is in the film
that was not included on the LP and Varese cd?

Den


I would say probably somewhere around 15 minutes more so...and that's being generous. The film is scored quite modestly. The only cues I'd love to hear clear of dialog and effects are the ones that underscore the end sequences in the basement and storm drain. The musical performances in the film are definitely different from the album versions. The orchestrations on the album are much fuller. I also got to see this in SENSURROUND when I was very young and remember how thrilling it was.

The Varese CD is a good representation of the score, though I like the film version of the main title better.

Cheers!
Harry

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2010 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Does anyone know approximately how much music is in the film
that was not included on the LP and Varese cd?

Den


I would say probably somewhere around 15 minutes more so...and that's being generous. The film is scored quite modestly. The only cues I'd love to hear clear of dialog and effects are the ones that underscore the end sequences in the basement and storm drain. The musical performances in the film are definitely different from the album versions. The orchestrations on the album are much fuller. I also got to see this in SENSURROUND when I was very young and remember how thrilling it was.

The Varese CD is a good representation of the score, though I like the film version of the main title better.

Cheers!
Harry



Thanks! It's been a while since I've watched it, even though I have the dvd.
I always loved the album presentation, except those damn sound effects.
William's score is actually quite beautiful, loaded with memorable melodies.
I wasn't aware that the LP was a re-recording. Maybe Varese will release
both versions on one disc. I saw the movie in SENSURROUND, too, way back
in '75.

Den

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2010 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

P.S. - I recently caught some of the movie on the telly and it seemed to have shrunk a bit in brilliance.


Always a treat to LOL at something I could have read five months ago but somehow missed.


I also wouldn't mind a re-release of "Earthquake" to go with my new "Family Plot," now that Universal's vault is open for business. Maybe "Midway" too.

I was lucky to see "Earthquake" on the big screen at Lincoln Center in NY, during their memorial retrospective series of Heston films, and found it quite enjoyable on two different levels. There was the nostalgia of seeing what used to qualify for harrowing action sequences and state of the art special effects, but the Mario Puzo script was also a campy delight. I remember Ava Gardner's first profane bitter-alcoholic-housewifely outburst was met with laughter and applause, and the fun didn't stop after that.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2010 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   spartacus47   (Member)

As mentioned it seems more like a TV movie of the week than a true cinematic epic taking advantage of the medium.

Watching it on TV, it really looks like any Universal TV production from the 70s: Columbo, et al. They *mastered* the art of flat, featureless lighting for both their TV shows and feature films.


Towering Inferno is the same, as well as a lot of Disney movies from that period too. The tired old remains of the old studio system.

I agree that Mark Robson was no John Guillerman.

Albert Whitlock's matte paintings from Earthquake are spectacular (shame that the miniatures supervised by Clifford Stine etc were amateurish in quality), as is William's score. Shame that every thing else (Genevive Bujold aside) is Z rate, IMHO. Let's not even mention the animated blood.


It's a shame that this film is in Mark Robson's filmography. He was getting older and the producers probably had more control of this silly schlockfest than he did. (He had made "The Bridges at Toko-Ri", one of the best war films of the fifties) and "Champion" with Kirk Douglas. John Guillermin was a hack as far as I'm concerned. (1976's "King Kong" anyone?)

Having said that, this is certainly not one of Williams best, but he really puts it together over the "End Titles."

And your right...........this was so unprofessionally produced that I expected to see the famous Universal Tourist Tram Bus appear on one of the so called devastated street sets.
The sound won the Academy Award and "Sensurround" got a Special Technical Award. That's OK unless you happened to be sitting in the next theater in the multiplex and a quiet love scene in another movie gets interrupted by the vibrating walls of the newly installed "Earthquake" soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2011 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Listening to this again.

It's really a very cool and smooth listening experience, by far my favourite of his disaster movie scores (at least in terms of soundtrack listening). So much better than the film it was written for, as previously noted.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2011 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Mark Hill   (Member)

I like Geoff Love's version of the Earthquake theme on his Big Terror movie themes. Earthquake theme and the Eiger Sanction theme are the tracks I always look forward to hearing when I play his album.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2011 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I'm not such a big fan. The film is awful and the score doesn't really do that much for me. I do have fond memoriesof buying the LP and having to add weight to the turntable arm to stop the sound effect opening kicking my stylus!

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2011 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   mildcigar   (Member)

http://www.amazon.de/Earthquake-John-Williams/dp/B004LB4F6E/ref=sr_1_7?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1320922649&sr=1-7

Cd-r.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2011 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   fleming   (Member)

As mentioned it seems more like a TV movie of the week than a true cinematic epic taking advantage of the medium.

Watching it on TV, it really looks like any Universal TV production from the 70s: Columbo, et al. They *mastered* the art of flat, featureless lighting for both their TV shows and feature films.


Towering Inferno is the same, as well as a lot of Disney movies from that period too. The tired old remains of the old studio system.

I agree that Mark Robson was no John Guillerman.

Albert Whitlock's matte paintings from Earthquake are spectacular (shame that the miniatures supervised by Clifford Stine etc were amateurish in quality), as is William's score. Shame that every thing else (Genevive Bujold aside) is Z rate, IMHO. Let's not even mention the animated blood.


It's a shame that this film is in Mark Robson's filmography. He was getting older and the producers probably had more control of this silly schlockfest than he did. (He had made "The Bridges at Toko-Ri", one of the best war films of the fifties) and "Champion" with Kirk Douglas. John Guillermin was a hack as far as I'm concerned. (1976's "King Kong" anyone?)

Having said that, this is certainly not one of Williams best, but he really puts it together over the "End Titles."

And your right...........this was so unprofessionally produced that I expected to see the famous Universal Tourist Tram Bus appear on one of the so called devastated street sets.
The sound won the Academy Award and "Sensurround" got a Special Technical Award. That's OK unless you happened to be sitting in the next theater in the multiplex and a quiet love scene in another movie gets interrupted by the vibrating walls of the newly installed "Earthquake" soundtrack.


John Guillermin also directed "The Blue Max", one of the best war films of the sixties, with one of the best war scores of any decade by Jerry Goldsmith.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2011 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I'm not such a big fan. The film is awful and the score doesn't really do that much for me. I do have fond memoriesof buying the LP and having to add weight to the turntable arm to stop the sound effect opening kicking my stylus!

I've never heard this score apart from the Main Title on Williams' 'Filmworks' CD, nor seen the film.
Is it any better than 'Poseidon'? Boy was I disappointed with that score when released by LLL, after repeated listenings I still don't enjoy it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2011 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


I've never heard this score apart from the Main Title on Williams' 'Filmworks' CD, nor seen the film.
Is it any better than 'Poseidon'? Boy was I disappointed with that score when released by LLL, after repeated listenings I still don't enjoy it.


Personally, I prefer Earthquake to Poseidon, but you may not like either one. EQ belongs more in a stable with Towering Inferno and Eiger Sanction than with Poseidon, and your feelings about those two are more likely to determine your opinion.

Earthquake is funkier in parts than any of the other scores mentioned - thanks to the Richard Rowntree theme - which will help or hinder according to taste.

The usual mention above of Jerry Goldsmith regardless of the thread subject big grin

 
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