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 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I just love all the "holier than thou" pronouncements in this thread.

Hypocrites.

James

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

. . . your an idiot for not believing Lukas.


Hee-hee.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I just love all the "holier than thou" pronouncements in this thread.

Hypocrites.

James


Including Lukas denunciation? Why?
Do you believe it correct to see somebody line their pockets using the work of others with that other seeing no recompense? Hmmm?

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I just love all the "holier than thou" pronouncements in this thread.

If its any consolation - I *am* holier than thou. I'm big at keggers - I turn all that melted keg ice into wine.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I just love all the "holier than thou" pronouncements in this thread.

Hypocrites.



I prefer to think of it as selective honesty.

cool

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   zip-zap-pow!   (Member)

I have their Barbarella (a purchase made in ignorance of the label a few years ago.) It sounds horrible.

I personally think that sound quality is something of a side-issue on this topic (IMHO..)

The *key* point being whether or not Harkit have been obtaining the required rights / permission / licensing to produce these "controversial" releases.

If they HAVEN'T, then for me it's a pretty much open/shut case and I'll definitely not be purchasing any of their material. Ever!

However, no-one seems to have commented on the fact that several major-league online retailers (and also trustworthy High Street retailers over here in the UK - and possibly elsewhere too..?) have been selling Harkit releases for a number of years.

That's the part that leaves this "Case" open for me. I mean, is this just ignorance on the part of the retailers in question (bearing in mind that none of them offer ANY other such questionable titles - none that I've ever seen anyway..) - or is there more to it than that?

I know you're a busy man, but perhaps you (Lukas) would like to comment further on this aspect briefly if you can, as I'd be interested to know your thoughts on it.

John.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Thanks for the info, Lukas.

I was looking very much forward to getting SEBASTIAN, which is completely unknown to me, probably no matter who will release it. But when it´s confirmed now that the better version is on its way, I´ll be very happy to wait for it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   nekromantik   (Member)

Weren't these the clowns who tried to bully Our Man in Colombia, Alex Klein?

Ahahah wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Lukas, this is nonsense. As a matter of fact I'm about to release a bootleg of Harry Sukman's Salem's Lot and I highly recommend people to buy it. If you have anything at all you'd like to say about that, now is the time wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

As I've said, I accept that some of their product is legitimate but much of it isn't. I I have purchased some of their discs in the past but have been less than impressed with the sound quality. I'm a John Barry fan but haven't bought any of their Barry releases.

The most significant opinion on Harkit is, of course, from Lukas who has had professional dealings with them.


However, just for the record where do you stand on the Harkit "debate"? - I mean, are you pro or anti the label? Obviously I'm assuming the latter - but just wondered. Thanks.

John.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Thanks for the info, Lukas.

I was looking very much forward to getting SEBASTIAN, which is completely unknown to me, probably no matter who will release it. But when it´s confirmed now that the better version is on its way, I´ll be very happy to wait for it.


Same here. I'll happily wait for a better version.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I've bought from them in the past not knowing what kind of company they were, but no more.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Doctor Plesman   (Member)


Can't say any more -- it's not us working on a license -- but you would be VERY SORRY if you spent money on Harkit's inane vinyl transfer and then saw what was subsequently released for real.

Get it?

Thanks,

Lukas


Thanks for the hint! So I'll stick to my old LP and the corresponding (and good sounding!) vinyl rip for my iPod - no need to buy now and better wait for the real thing (Whoever is going to do it in the future...)

Concerning Harkit's LP transfers: I checked their version of THE WRONG BOX - and that album's sound quality is significantly worse than any vinyl rips I came across elsewhere, so beware of buying that as well, legal issues aside...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)


That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying do your research and take it on a release by release basis.


Apologies... I thought that's what I'd implied in my postings too. Obviously hadn't fully understood all your postings.

I'm not evangelical about avoiding boots, but clearly if I know its coming from a high-quality specialist label, then that's what I am going to wait for. A practical, pragmatic decision.

I've never seen boots as an alternative to a legitimate release, merely as a stop-gap until a legitimate version turns up.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

The four recent John Barry releases are LP transfers, unlicensed from the owners and they don't pay John Barry any proceeds for his work.endquote]

While it's true that Harkit probably don't pay anything to the owners of the original sound recordings, I know for certain that they do pay the appropriate royalties to the music publishers and consequently the composers, so John Barry, Bob Crewe, et al do get something.

However, it seems very dodgy about them possibly releasing Sebastian as this Dot Records title would surely still be owned by MCA by way of Universal.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Thanks, for that clarification regarding royalty payments.I'm pleased that they're not ripping off the composers, it's just the owners who are getting stuffed.

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startquote]While it's true that Harkit probably don't pay anything to the owners of the original sound recordings, I know for certain that they do pay the appropriate royalties to the music publishers and consequently the composers, so John Barry, Bob Crewe, et al do get something.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Buysoundtrax and a number of other retailers sell Harkit discs. Whether they don't know or or don't care about about the issues with Harkit, I'm not in a position to say.

Well, Ford should know and could advise BSX to Not sell them.
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=24311&forumID=1&archive=1
Here he even spent the time to ask Paramount about the Cinefonia-CD.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   zip-zap-pow!   (Member)

I've just caught up on posts that have been added to this discussion this morning (UK time).

Is it fair to conclude (for now) that despite some obvious concerns, "Harkit Records" are not quite the Force of Evil that some of the early contributions to this thread were inferring**?

(**myself included, though I retract most of those comments now).

John.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   JackBlu78   (Member)

Harkit lost me to say the least, I purchased one CD from them once and I have since destroyed it.

If a company can't even proof read their liner notes then they don't deserve to be in business. Not talking about one error I mean line after line of mis-spelled words over and over. They don't deserve to make a dime.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2009 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I've never bought any Harkit discs & never will 1/ They're too expensive 2/ They don't sound very good & if I want something, I want it to sound good or I'd rather not have it.

But....If these large record companies had bothered to release their soundtrack back catalogues, companies like Harkit wouldn't have much to put out.

 
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