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 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

Maybe he's talking about his more recent output (I Am Legend and Defiance were a little Zimmer-heavy in the action music, especially the latter). But I don't know.

Well, he did say "streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade."

So, if we are talking post Batman Begins then again point you towards King Kong and The Water Horse.

-Erik-


Actually his score to Blood Diamond is the closets he's come to Hans Zimmer, but his overall body of work is his own.
RE: I am Legend...Zimmer wasn't the first to use drum machines.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

He's still got a point, whether or not it sounds like Zimmer.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2009 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Really like JNH. however, as a seperate listen 'The Fugitive" is not very interesting, maybe have to give it several more hearings.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Really like JNH. however, as a seperate listen 'The Fugitive" is not very interesting, maybe have to give it several more hearings.

i still awaits mine

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Misanthropic Tendencies   (Member)

My The Fugitive turned up today (UK). The next CD with a similar title I want to see is Face Of A Fugitive!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

My The Fugitive turned up today (UK). The next CD with a similar title I want to see is Face Of A Fugitive!


thay have charged my credit card so i hope it will come soon

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   theOzman   (Member)

Maybe he's talking about his more recent output (I Am Legend and Defiance were a little Zimmer-heavy in the action music, especially the latter). But I don't know.

Well, he did say "streamlined, Zimmer-esque action music he's been doing for the last decade."

So, if we are talking post Batman Begins then again point you towards King Kong and The Water Horse.

-Erik-


Actually his score to Blood Diamond is the closets he's come to Hans Zimmer, but his overall body of work is his own.
RE: I am Legend...Zimmer wasn't the first to use drum machines.



Does anyone recall that JNH is one of the composers of BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT? I really have no idea what JNH wrote on either of those scores, as none it, to me, at least, sounds anything like him. It must have been worth while for the studio to hire BOTH composers and give them equal credit, as someone realized that their current, shall we say, "sound," was transparent enough to qualifying paying them their composing fees, which is pretty steep. The producers could just have asked "Zimmer'R'us" to score the whole picture and no one would have been the wiser and have noticed.

I personally enjoy the sensibility of the early JNH sound. At the time that he composed THE FUGITIVE, his opportunities to score these sort of action films had been limited, but he really pulled out all the stops and wrote, in my opinion, one of his best scores to date. His next action score to follow this was OUTBREAK, which is sort of a sibling to THE FUGITIVE, as far as it is structured thematically. As time went on, and as he as a composer evolved, and as the film industry evolved, it seemed as though his sound became more layered and complicated. THE FUGITIVE, with it's streamlined orchestration and headlong "runaway train" momentum, is anything but that, but still comes across as an intelligent, sophisticated and satisfying listening experience. I actually haven't listened to this score is quite some time, but LaLaLa-land has given me another opportunity to revisit it and in a NEW and IMPROVED way, and I am very thankful for that. It's almost like hearing it for the first time... only better. smile

Thanks again, LaLaLa-Land!

~ Oz

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

Anyone with a good ear can hear that Hans took over most of BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT...but if you wanna hear how good James Newton Howard is....I got one track for ya....HARVEY TWO FACE.

And oh yeah, his KING KONG score is nothing short of spectacular.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Illustrator   (Member)


Now that could be something! My favorite JNH score by a country mile, and one of the best of the 90s. Although how much more music is there actually left? The original CD release is quite lengthy in itself. Is there much more in the film that isnt on the original release?


not too much.

there are a few other JNH scores that deserve more the expansion. OUTBREAK would be the first in my list.


Regarding Wyatt Earp I've not sat with a stopwatch but I'd say certainly another 20-25 minutes and for me it's not about the quantity (hell I'd by Dances with Wolves again if it contained the additional less than ten minutes we're missing!) it's about the quality. It's not scored wall to wall so for a 3 hour movie it's spotted sparingly. As well as new music (particularly in the directors cut) there are just some great orchestrations of established themes that I wish had been made available.

I've not heard Outbreak but if it's in his more orchestral vein I'd be all for that one also.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2009 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

The only thing James Newton Howard has done that has the Zimmer sound to me is Blood Diamond. Outbreak and Waterworld were composed around the same time as The Fugitive. All three scores have some great action material. I want to say I read somewhere that He and Hans are friends, hence the Batman work together. I agree with an earlier post, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are Hans Zimmer scores, with JNH somewhere in there.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Let's not forget THE POSTMAN, which only has about 25 minutes of score on the album and I'm sure there is MUCH more than that. I'd buy an expanded release of that in a hot second.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

That makes two of us...

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Let's not forget THE POSTMAN, which only has about 25 minutes of score on the album and I'm sure there is MUCH more than that. I'd buy an expanded release of that in a hot second.

Oh yes yes YES! Stunning score.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Frank V   (Member)

Let's not forget THE POSTMAN, which only has about 25 minutes of score on the album and I'm sure there is MUCH more than that.

The album has 50 minutes of score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Scorebuff   (Member)

Anyone else have some strange looking dots on their fugitive discs? They don't effect the playback, but i'm seeing these tiny dots (small clusters) they look like finger prints, but upon closer inspection they aren't. I know it's not a scratch (I use that word confidently as the 2nd disc to Back to the Future fell from it's... whatever you call the plastic thing that holds the disc in place; thankfully it still plays fine - just annoying to unwrap something and seeing a disc not not where it should be). I've been seeing these tiny dot clusters on more and more recent releases, does anyone know what they are?

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

methinks someone 'dosed' Scorbuff's tea
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

isn't Howard's Name actually spelled James Newton-Howard or is it just Newton Howard

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

isn't Howard's Name actually spelled James Newton-Howard or is it just Newton Howard

Isn't Newton his middle name? I'm pretty sure the Varese CDs always just list "Howard" on the spine. (Don't have them in front of me right now.)

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)



The album has 50 minutes of score.


Thanks for the correction, Frank. I'm sure there is at least another 50 minutes of music missing, considering how long the movie is. The album is far from a complete presentation of this score.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2009 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

How does Goldsmith's score to the sequel compare to this?

Well I wouldn't say it's superb or anything, but I would say it gets the job done. To be honest it's funny that he did the sequel because I hear Goldsmith all over Howard's original, and much better Goldsmith at that. I haven't heard the score in a long time so I rekindled with that when I got this release. A great deal of Howard's music was mostly new to me because I have only seen the film once, and a long time ago also.

 
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