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 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I am very happy with this "ultimate" RoboCop edition by Intrada.
One of my favourite scores from my one of my top favourite composers smile
Let's Hope RoboCop 3 will be given the same treatment.

Still, did anyone also noticed that the first Varèse issue featured two different takes for the same piece of music ?
Track 11 (mislabelled as Robo Drives To Jones' Office) presents the cue as we can hear it in the 2004 Varèse reissue retitled 'Care Package', with some wrong notes from the strings at approx. 0'40.
Then we hear the same piece of music later, on track 14 (Robo Tips His Hat - always loved this tracktitle), but the strings are right this time.




hei - the old cd was a mis-mash - 1987 that is - the same track (robo tips = care package) appered twice on the cd making the tracks on the cd out of order


here the music as printed on varese 1987 cover


• 1. Main Title (0:32)
• 2. Van Chase (4:50)
• 3. Murphy's Death (2:30)
• 4. Rock Shop (3:38)
• 5. Home (4:05)
• 6. Robo vs. ED-209 (2:00)
• 7. The Dream (3:00)
• 8. Across the Board (2:28)
• 9. Betrayal (2:12)
• 10. Clarance Frags Bob (1:40)
• 11. Drive to Jones' Office (1:40)
• 12. We Killed You (1:30)
• 13. Directive IV (1:00)
• 14. Robo Tips His Hat (2:00)
• 15. Showdown (5:00)



AND here is the music as it appered on varese 1987 CD

1. Main Title (0:40)
2. Van Chase (4:52)
3. Murphy's Death (2:38)
4. The Rock Shop (3:42)
5. Home (4:16)
6. Robo vs. ED-209 (2:07)
7. The Dream (3:08)
8. Across the Board (1:49)
9. Betrayal (2:19)
10. Clarence Frags Bob (1:43)
11. Robo Tips His Hat (2:11)
12. Drive to Jones' Office (1:47)
13. We Killed You (1:46)
14. Directive IV / Robo Tips His Hat (3:13)
15. Showdown (5:15)



NOTICE track 11 on cover and CD - that's were it screwed-up on the cd


All this was corrected on varese 04 release and then they included 4 bonus track on that as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


I think "Care Package" on the Intrada disc is a combination of "Care Package" and "Target Practice." Don't know about "Force Shoots Robo."


I think "Force Shoots Robo" is the same as "Betrayal" from the Varese CD.



it is but the intrada tracktimes runs a little longer than varese tracktime

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   edern   (Member)

Thanks Marcato for correcting the track titles and timings from the first Varèse release.
I was maybe unclear in my first post, but I wanted to point out that on the 1987 release, the 'Robo Tips His Hat' cue appears twice, but it is not the same take (wrong notes from the strings on track 11 -at roughly 0'40- and then performing correctly on track 14 -at approx.1'40 due to the combination with 'Directive IV').
What always bugged me is that Varèse did remaster the "wrong notes take" in 2004.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Thanks Marcato for correcting the track titles and timings from the first Varèse release.
I was maybe unclear in my first post, but I wanted to point out that on the 1987 release, the 'Robo Tips His Hat' cue appears twice, but it is not the same take (wrong notes from the strings on track 11 -at roughly 0'40- and then performing correctly on track 14 -at approx.1'40 due to the combination with 'Directive IV').
What always bugged me is that Varèse did remaster the "wrong notes take" in 2004.




I never hearded any difference - now i have sold my 1987 and i only have the 2004 release so can't even check


the things that bother me is in ROBO DRIVE TO JONES - there is this statement in cellos that is also heard in the HOME track AND in the film it's very clear but on cd it's weak and can barely be noticed

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

Awesome release , this great score gets finally the treatment it deserves - the varese re-release was a bit of a letdown for me , can't wait to order this gem along with ID4 from lala next week! thanks you Intrada!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Awesome release , this great score gets finally the treatment it deserves - the varese re-release was a bit of a letdown for me , can't wait to order this gem along with ID4 from lala next week! thanks you Intrada!


There's only room for 1 robo cd so i guess i'll have to do some editing here when i burn a copy

i'll just keep the intrada cd as it is and then burn some bonus tracks from my varese 04 cd onto the end of the music including the varese version of "across the board" - then i can sell my varese cd with peace in my heart razz

big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

I love the music, but I can't get over the recording at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I love the music, but I can't get over the recording at all.


you mean ?

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

Awesome release , this great score gets finally the treatment it deserves - the varese re-release was a bit of a letdown for me , can't wait to order this gem along with ID4 from lala next week! thanks you Intrada!


There's only room for 1 robo cd so i guess i'll have to do some editing here when i burn a copy

i'll just keep the intrada cd as it is and then burn some bonus tracks from my varese 04 cd onto the end of the music including the varese version of "across the board" - then i can sell my varese cd with peace in my heart razz

big grin


there is some music on the varese 2004 not on the intrada?

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I dunno about this...double-dipping is one thing, but triple-dipping is another. And for what...like two minutes' worth of extra music and an end title suite which is just a cut & paste job from other parts of the score? Maybe I'll trade for it later on or something, but this is a less-than-essential purchase at this time.

As was pointed out before it's more than two minutes, but for me the kicker was the sound quality on the new release. Last night I did an A-B of "Rock Shop" on the Varese release and the end titles on the Intrada release, and the presence of sound on the new edition is amazing. The mix is slightly different and much more up front. It really pops. Just my $.02.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Tester   (Member)

20$ for less than 15 minutes of music... Nah, I think I'll keep that money for something else (for now).

But If you don't have the Varese release, this one is a must buy

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

"As was pointed out before it's more than two minutes, but for me the kicker was the sound quality on the new release. Last night I did an A-B of "Rock Shop" on the Varese release and the end titles on the Intrada release, and the presence of sound on the new edition is amazing. The mix is slightly different and much more up front. It really pops. Just my $.02."

Agreed. I also don't care much for the new material, especially that weird end credits edit but the improved sound quality is something that made me purchase the album in the end.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)



there is some music on the varese 2004 not on the intrada?



yes if you know how the end credits sound in the film you might guess that something has been left out on the last part of ACROSS THE BOARD - well i have not heard so i can't tell for sure - but i'm very sure - i used to make edits of the end title and it would usually clock at those 7 minuttes - that was on MiniDisc with the full Across the board end title mix

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

There is nothing on either Varese edition that is not on the Intrada

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

I have a doubt regarding how complete the main titles can be:

“…with dynamic first statement of main theme, right down to clanking metal …”

Now, if I am not misunderstanding the mentioned passage, the “clanking metal” should be the music introducing the main titles. Please listen to the following sample: http://www.divshare.com/download/11046988-d75

If so, it is about 0’16” long and the main titles on the Varèse CD - without introduction - is 0’39”.
Accordingly the complete main titles should be (0’16 + 0’39 =) 0’55” long. But they are 0’45” only on the new Intrada edition.

Why? frown


Nicola


PS
Oh, well, for sure "main theme" and "main titles" are two different things. Anyway I think the main titles are not complete.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)




PS
Oh, well, for sure "main theme" and "main titles" are two different things. Anyway I think the main titles are not complete.


Why not just wait untill you can hear the CD before you jump to conclusions

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I have a doubt regarding how complete the main titles can be:

“…with dynamic first statement of main theme, right down to clanking metal …”

Now, if I am not misunderstanding the mentioned passage, the “clanking metal” should be the music introducing the main titles. Please listen to the following sample: http://www.divshare.com/download/11046988-d75

If so, it is about 0’16” long and the main titles on the Varèse CD - without introduction - is 0’39”.
Accordingly the complete main titles should be (0’16 + 0’39 =) 0’55” long. But they are 0’45” only on the new Intrada edition.

Why? frown


It's not talking about the main titles, it's talking about the first statement of the main ROBO theme, which appears in "Drive Montage" (the scene where Murphy first hits the streets as RoboCop). The "clanking metal" is the percussive line (for anvil? cowbell?) that clangs away as the orchestra belts out the theme.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

The "clanking metal" is the percussive line (for anvil? cowbell?) that clangs away as the orchestra belts out the theme.

Mallet on fire extinguisher, apparently smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

Mallet on fire extinguisher, apparently smile

Yeah, well, reading comprehension was never my strong suit. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2010 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

@Mike Skerritt,

Yes, you are right, thank you for the answer. I completely misunderstood that passage on the description, sorry.

But I am still afraid the main titles are not really complete: 0’45” is not enough to contain the introduction to the main credits too.

It’ s a pity.


Nicola

 
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