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 Posted:   Feb 16, 2014 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Expendables 2 is an even better score than the first and one of the best iv ever heard.Brian Tyler is the modern day Goldsmith in my opinion!

I beg to differ. Tyler is all sound and fury. He hasn't yet written anything "important" enough - nor does he have a sound distinctive enough - to rival JG. Rambo 4 was was a hollow, boring, plodding slog compared to JG's kinetic originals.

Beltrami is much more worthy to carry the mantle. Great artistry. Unique sound. Mostly just crappy films!



I'm not a huge fan of his Rambo score, but he has written some excellent stuff, both action and dramatic music.

Beltrami, however, with the right project, can be brilliant.

But neither has that kinetic spark in their action music that JG had.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2014 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Who's to say Goldsmith would have taken a "heroic approach" to Rambo 4?

I would like to think that he would have returned to the lonely, more anguished sound in First Blood before the franchise became cartoon-like.


Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how he would have approached the movie (and especially the final scene). Still, I think Tyler did a good job with the home coming theme and for that to feature over the main titles was a welcome surprise.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2014 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Like to see expanded executive decision first.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2014 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

Who's to say Goldsmith would have taken a "heroic approach" to Rambo 4?

I would like to think that he would have returned to the lonely, more anguished sound in First Blood before the franchise became cartoon-like.


Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how he would have approached the movie (and especially the final scene). Still, I think Tyler did a good job with the home coming theme and for that to feature over the main titles was a welcome surprise.


Agreed.Tylers Rambo 4 score was suitably respectful in its use of Goldsmiths themes while being a great ferocious action score in its own right.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2014 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I think The Last Castle was a good indication of the action music Goldsmith would have brought to Rambo 4 at the time. There probably would have been a new secondary theme for Rambo with subtle use of Its A Long Road, as well as a theme for the Missionaries.
This is not dissimilar to the approach Tyler took, but it's just that with Goldsmith, the bar would have been that much higher.
I really miss him.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   patrick_runkle   (Member)

What Varese should do is put out a club release that contains just the expanded/unreleased tracks from three or four 90s Goldsmith action titles, like "Executive Decision," "Chain Reaction," "L.A. Confidential," and "U.S. Marshals." Putting more than one score on it would make it a must-purchase for casual Goldsmith fans, whereas it's a harder sell to get people excited about an expanded "Chain Reaction" by itself, and it would preserve the marketplace for the original albums. There's probably some financial or licensing reason why such a project couldn't work, but it would be an interesting experiment.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

What Varese should do is put out a club release that contains just the expanded/unreleased tracks from three or four 90s Goldsmith action titles, like "Executive Decision," "Chain Reaction," "L.A. Confidential," and "U.S. Marshals." Putting more than one score on it would make it a must-purchase for casual Goldsmith fans, whereas it's a harder sell to get people excited about an expanded "Chain Reaction" by itself, and it would preserve the marketplace for the original albums.

Definitely No! This idea would be pointless, because the majority of collectors want these complete scores to be released, and this comprehends the inclusion of every note on the new album. What Varese should do is put out separate double Deluxe club releases of the 4 titles mentioned above, plus "Air Force One". The same treatment they gave to the Abyss, Die Hard 2, etc.

I also believe there is no need to worry about whatever a marketplace for the original albums means, since many, if not all, of these are currently OOP. Even if they are not, I am sure Goldsmith fans would kill for 2 CD Sets of the above mentioned titles, especially "Chain Reaction" which, by itself, is a modern action music masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Actually I still have to buy this score because I was so sure a special edition was coming someday. What do you think? I also keep reading that this is one of Goldsmith scores that more needs an expansion.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   trstnvnk   (Member)

Even if they are not, I am sure Goldsmith fans would kill for 2 CD Sets of the above mentioned titles, especially "Chain Reaction" which, by itself, is a modern action music masterpiece.

Let's not get carried away here. Sure, it's a fun score but judging by the album, a masterpiece it is not. Unless there is something substantial missing from the original release, it's basically Goldsmith by numbers. He has certainly written better scores in the 90's

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Make sure you get it cheap. I listened to it again today and have re-confirmed (to myself) that it's just OK. Goldsmith's requisite "all's well" music at the end is grand, but by the time it reaches its Gone With The Wind-style conclusion, you have to wonder, "What movie was this for?" Similar to Horner's score to Ransom, which ends with this tremendous celebratory fanfare that comes out of nowhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Whoaaa there...revisionist much!!!
Modern Masterpiece!!!
Just listen to scores like Caboblanco, Cassandra Crossing, Twilight's Last Gleaming and Breakout to help realise how Chain Reaction CANNOT be termed a masterpiece, modern or otherwise imo.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

It's all about that bridge cue for me. That cue is amazing and should have been on the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's all about that bridge cue for me. That cue is amazing and should have been on the album.

The propulsive 2-note detonation cue too!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Unreleased:

Someone else posted a link that works. Teach me to try it on a mobile phone! lol

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Yes! Was going to mention this.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

It's all about that bridge cue for me. That cue is amazing and should have been on the album.

Agreed. They could have lost the "Assassins" cue (of similar length) and I would have had no problem with it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I want it all. Every cue. Then I will sit down, listen to them all and hand-pick my custom playlist. This is the joy of having complete scores and iTunes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

30 min may be short... but a 95 min presentation would kill this too. It's not a masterpiece, but it's Goldsmith.

what's that bridge cue? in my unmentionable I dont know the exact title... Youtube?

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

30 min may be short... but a 95 min presentation would kill this too. It's not a masterpiece, but it's Goldsmith.

what's that bridge cue? in my unmentionable I dont know the exact title... Youtube?


Bridge cue starts around 0:36

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2014 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

This is one of those short varese CDs where they just picked the wrong cues (except for Ice Chase)
They kept too much of the guitar stuff and left off all these awesome action cues. Listen to the end of that suite. That's practically Twilights Last Gleaming there (@8:30 and onwards) . THAT is some vintage Goldsmith writing right there. At a time when he was being criticized for simplifying his style, this suite shows that he still busted out those old methods on occasion. Parts of it even remind me of Capricorn One. This score would really shine in expanded form.

 
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