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 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   David Maxx   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith...OMEN IV - THE AWAKENING (I'm sure there's more, especially from his "no more action films" period in the early 90s).

I didn't know that. I thought the budget was too low for them to even ask him. Regardless, I'm sure he believed the series was finished and (if OMEN IV is as bad as I have heard it is) probably didn't like the movie.

As for his "no more action films" period, I believe he said "no" to STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. Dammit! That would have been good, since it was the final journey for the original crew. The least Cliff Eidelman could have done was use his theme from the original movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Jostein   (Member)



I didn't know that. I thought the budget was too low for them to even ask him. Regardless, I'm sure he believed the series was finished and (if OMEN IV is as bad as I have heard it is) probably didn't like the movie.

As for his "no more action films" period, I believe he said "no" to STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. Dammit! That would have been good, since it was the final journey for the original crew. The least Cliff Eidelman could have done was use his theme from the original movie.


Cliff's score was fine, what's your complaint with it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Brian D. Mellies   (Member)

I don't know about JUDITH (though I tend to doubt that Rozsa had anything to do with it), but as for MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY, there was no Rozsa score rejected for the film, because there never was a Rozsa score for the film. Miklos Rozsa did not write so much as one note of music for the film.

MGM had penciled (yada yada yada) Samuel Bronston had contacted MGM about securing Rozsa's services for his independent production of EL CID (which, unlike KING OF KINGS, was not to be an MGM release).

Normally, the studio (Yada, yada, yada) difference and use it to defray the cost overruns on BOUNTY.

You cannot imagine (yada, yada, yada) (where he had never been), and the opprtunity to research the music of Mediaeval Spain and write what turned out to be one of the masterpieces of his film-scoring career.


Congratulations, O-thinkr. Even though you completely miscontrued the topic of this thread, you have shown your ability to read liner notes is right up there with the best of them.

Carry on.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   WesllDeckers   (Member)

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I seem to recall both North and Goldsmith (Goldsmith especially over at the Sand Pebbles website) stating that Goldsmith got the project because North fell ill and couldn't do the music at the time.


Wasn't that on another occasion?
At least the liner notes to Varèses DE of Sand Pebbles state that North was bothered with the violence...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Didn't Williams reportedly balk at doing Michael Winner's THE SENTINEL? He was touted for months as being signed to do it and it was listed among his coming credits in the 1976 program for the annual Royal Albert Hall "FilmHarmonic" concert he conducted that year.

His supposed reaction to an initial viewing of the final cut was, "I'm not doing this--sue me"-- leaving Gil Mellé to clean up the mess. (This may be apochryphal. I doubt many composers have this kind of aesthetic integrity, short of Bernard Herrmann.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)

There's something to be said for A-list composers turning down scores, or overbooking themselves and having to pull out at the last minute. That opens the door for some great underrated, underappreciated, B-List (as in "star power", not the quality of their work) composers to take over, work their magic and let us all know what we've been missing. Names like Bruce Broughton and Christopher Young come to mind.

Unfortunatly, the problem is that the B-List composers don't always generate a soundtrack CD like Horner/Williams/Goldsmith, et al, do. Which unfortunately leaves us in the lurch. At least until Intrada pulls a rabbit out of their hat and issues a promo or limited release CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

Didn't Williams reportedly balk at doing Michael Winner's THE SENTINEL? He was touted for months as being signed to do it and it was listed among his coming credits in the 1976 program for the annual Royal Albert Hall "FilmHarmonic" concert he conducted that year.

His supposed reaction to an initial viewing of the final cut was, "I'm not doing this--sue me"-- leaving Gil Mellé to clean up the mess. (This may be apochryphal. I doubt many composers have this kind of aesthetic integrity, short of Bernard Herrmann.)


Yeah, Williams is known for generaly having very good taste for pulling out of sucky projects (not good enough to avoid Heartbeeps or Monsignor, but still).
What I wanna know is why he dropped out of Alien.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

Odd, because I think if he'd come-up with something of the order of KRULL, it would have been phenominal.

Krull is a great score, but nothing at all like what LoTR needed. Shore did an amazing job, created a musical world.

and I believe Horner said he turned down HP and LoTR because he wasnted to do A Beautiful Mind.

Horner, for all his faults, has a knack for fantasy and sci-fi. Certainly much moreso than Shore, who is really only at home in the horror genre.

He's also great with comdies. Big, Mrs. Doubtfire, Dogma and, my favorite- Ed Wood, which is such a great score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

Double post

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Martijn   (Member)

Horner (why does that name *keep* cropping up?) also rejected Verhoeven's Flesh + Blood, because he thought it too violent and disturbing. Poledouris consequently jumped at the chance, and the rest, as they say, is history.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Horner (why does that name *keep* cropping up?) also rejected Verhoeven's Flesh + Blood, because he thought it too violent and disturbing. Poledouris consequently jumped at the chance, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Well at this point I wouldn't call that a "rejected score".... I mean, SOOOOO many composers have turned down projects. No point in listing them as if that really means something!!!

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Martijn   (Member)



Well at this point I wouldn't call that a "rejected score".... I mean, SOOOOO many composers have turned down projects. No point in listing them as if that really means something!!!



You're perfectly right, Dan: it is *not* a rejected score. That's because the actual topic here *IS* composers turning down projects (as may be evident from the first post smile ).

So my post actually *did* mean something. (Yay!)

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)


You're perfectly right, Dan: it is *not* a rejected score. That's because the actual topic here *IS* composers turning down projects (as may be evident from the first post smile ).

So my post actually *did* mean something. (Yay!)


LOL!! You're absolutely right.... I guess my mind wandered away from me, since I'm still reeling from the dissapointment of THE TERMINAL.....

wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

I do know of a few examples:

Harold Faltermeyer
Days of Thunder
Beverly Hills Cop III
Bad boys
The Golden Child
Neverending Story III (rumour)

John Barry
Never Say Never Again
Tomorrow Never Dies


Didn't JB turn down Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough also?

And how come Faltermeyer got out of scoring movies for Hollywood? The guys that came after him just live in his shadow IMO.

Tom (Servo)

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

Wasn´t Miklos Rosza once attached to Star Wars before Lucas turned to Williams?

Philipp

np: star wars - a new hope (john williams)

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2004 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   RcM   (Member)

I've read that Tobe Hooper wanted Horner to score INVADERS FROM MARS, but was turned down.

A previous post mentioned Horner's name keeps popping up. It's not surprising. I'm sure any in-demand composer has turned down plenty of projects - either because they were too busy, they didn't like the movie, they didn't like the production team, or the price wasn't right..

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2004 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   David Maxx   (Member)

Cliff's score was fine, what's your complaint with it?

Wow, I just NOW noticed your post.

I have only sampled Cliff's score online, but pretty much have no memory of it. So I don't really have any complaints with it (other than the lack of Jerry's theme), but a Goldsmith STAR TREK VI would still have been very good.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2004 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Mark Olivarez   (Member)

Nicholas Meyer had no intention of using Goldsmtih's theme for VI. He wanted something different and had originally wanted to use Holst's "The Planets" for the score. It was deemed to expensive so Eidelmann came up with something similar yet re-freshing and really delivered.

Goldsmith's theme would not have worked because the tone of Star Trek VI was dark and it really needed a different style in music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2004 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   James Phillips   (Member)

Didn't Williams reportedly balk at doing Michael Winner's THE SENTINEL? He was touted for months as being signed to do it and it was listed among his coming credits in the 1976 program for the annual Royal Albert Hall "FilmHarmonic" concert he conducted that year.

His supposed reaction to an initial viewing of the final cut was, "I'm not doing this--sue me"-- leaving Gil Mellé to clean up the mess. (This may be apochryphal. I doubt many composers have this kind of aesthetic integrity, short of Bernard Herrmann.)


The real reason why John Williams did not do the score for THE SENTINEL was because he was so grossed out by this film that he fainted during the scene in which Christina Raines stabs out the eye of her dead father.

When Gil Melle was signed by Michael Winner to score this film, Winner asked Melle: "You're not going to faint on us, Gil?" He refused to tell me who the composer was until I mentioned Williams' name. I have this on tape and in an email from Gil.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2004 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   ian642002   (Member)

When I see a Michael Winner film I too have a tendency to faint. The pure, utter, unmitigated crappiness of them all does tend to plunge the viewer into unconsciousness. Williams did himself a big favour - not just by avoiding scoring The Sentinel, but ensuring the name of Michael Winner did not sully an otherwise impeccable CV.

Michael Winner now spends his days as a newspaper columnist and as director and star of a series of excruciatingly bad car insurance television adverts.

Jerry & The Swarm - Jerry liked this film! If it hadn't been for Michael Caine's unconvincing scientist and some of the bad dialogue it could have been a reasonably good film.

(Coughs, chokes, drops cup of coffee. Coughing and choking then becomes mixed with short bursts of disbelieving laughter)

 
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