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 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Colombier's score is totally unlistenable synth drek. Barry's score is...well, Barry.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I must say, it's a real head scratcher to me how people find the Barry score boring when I find it so rich, but some people clearly do and it proves one important point: we can all hear exactly same thing and yet experience something completely different.

Which is something the "if you don't agree with me, you must be wrong" crowd just don't get.


Thank you for injecting some common sense into the thread, Steve. Arguing about personal tastes is a dead end and I am actually surprised people in this board still don't seem to understand that.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, Stephen, well said. It's fascinating that a great many people take opposing preferences as personal affronts and then responds with personal affronts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

Yeah, Stephen, well said. It's fascinating that a great many people take opposing preferences as personal affronts and then responds with personal affronts.

I don´t think that´s surprising at all. Many "fans" have lived with and loved the music of their favourite composer for decades and it is part of their life. No wonder they take it as personal affronts as it IS personal to them. If you criticise the composer, you indirectly criticise them. Now, nobody would probably protest if you wrote something like "it´s not my kind of music" or "it´s not to my taste". But writing things like "Barry could have been farting into a cup and no doubt many would choose his over someone else's" or "boring, grating and even the song is pants" is bound to provoke the appropriate answer (I know as I, too, write such things wink ). Maybe a board like this even needs that kind of "discussion" to remain lively, I don´t know. In the end it is a completely unnecessary discussion, which only proves that people have different tastes. And that some have very bad taste. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

To say that something is boring and grating is a very personal and subjective experience. It's also honest, and it doesn't say anything about anyone else who may hold a different opinion. If pizza is your favourite food, does it really matter if someone else hates it?

Vice versa, I'm not going to let all the disparaging remarks about Colombier's score in this thread provoke me to personal affronts (even if the score is one of my favourites, and even if the remarks are worded far worse than anything said about Barry's music). I'll just shrug my shoulders and move on. Different strokes for different folks.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Yes, I think there is something — dare I say 'more enlightened'? — about being able to compare notes about what we like and don't like as a means of socialization whilst simultaneously not being needy for people to agree with us.

My good lady can't stand Jerry Goldsmith and I'll bet that's a headscratcher to a lot of people. But, thing is, it doesn't have to ruin your day.

It's just a case of saying to yourself, "Oh, okay" and carrying on.

That said, there can sometimes be some needle in a comment that makes you want to go, "Ouch!" and poke back. Yep, I get that. Just human nature.

But back to the poll: yes I am interested in seeing how the poll unfolds.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

To say that something is boring and grating is a very personal and subjective experience. It's also honest, and it doesn't say anything about anyone else who may hold a different opinion. If pizza is your favourite food, does it really matter if someone else hates it?


That depends on the situation. If I´m about to eat my pizza and someone tells me that it looks really disgusting and smells completely nasty, chances are that I may lose my appetite this way. wink


Vice versa, I'm not going to let all the disparaging remarks about Colombier's score in this thread provoke me to personal affronts (even if the score is one of my favourites, and even if the remarks are worded far worse than anything said about Barry's music). I'll just shrug my shoulders and move on. Different strokes for different folks.


Personal affronts are a different matter. But certain remarks can of course start a whole bunch of more or less aggressive discussions. But as I said: maybe a board like this needs them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't think it needs them. No place -- whether in cyberspace or 'real life' -- does.

What one needs, though, is temperature within topic-specific discussions, i.e. being able to discuss a topic at hand through strong disagreements without taking it to a personal level. That's the fun!

Then again -- this thread wasn't really designed as a discussion. It's just a poll. So you can basically just say "I like this" and "I don't like that" and move on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

I don't think it needs them. No place -- whether in cyberspace or 'real life' -- does.


A nice idealistic idea - unfortunately in "real life" (especially in politics) the opposite happens all the time. But I agree: nobody NEEDS that!

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   barryfan1   (Member)

I like both, but it has to be Barry's for me.

Mike

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   Dr Lenera   (Member)

I think Barry's is a far superior score. It's very sad that only a tiny portion of it was used. BUT..... the Colombier score does go very well with the film in its released version. The film was originally much longer and I think less comedic, so Barry's score probably suited that version brilliantly.

In terms of listening, which is actually probably what was meant, of course I much prefer the Barry, but I've put the Colombier version on a few times too...

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   mildcigar   (Member)

Colombier...

Found Barry's to be very forgettable (and boring). Can see this being a one sided vote, Barry could have been farting into a cup and no doubt many would choose his over someone else's just because of the composers past works and the fact that it is John Barry. Similar occurs with Goldsmith.


Dick.


Ah Mild. How are you sir?


Great , thanks Thomas.

The non-Barry stuff was discarded as soon as it arrived - never heard it and never shall.

Cheers!

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I must say, I think Colombier found a style and, more importantly, a really, genuinely catchy theme that was just perfect for the "Eddie Murphy-ness" of it.

It was a turkey of a film with a badly mis-cast star.

Barry's approach to saving the film was to make the music bigger and more dramatic. He put his music behind the story.

Colombier tried to save it by recognizing that you had to go with the "Eddie Murphy" vibe. He put his music behind the star.

In that sense, I think Colombier read the situation (i.e. anticipated who was going to see it, why they were going to see it and what they were going to want) better than Barry.

However, as a score to prop up the story, I really thought Barry's score was impressive. His music certainly does 'big' the film up, giving it the mystery, drive, gravitas and romance it desperately lacked. This comes through when you check out the clips where his music has been restored.

What he didn't give it was the comic lightness the audience would have wanted and an "Eddie Murphy theme".

With two such wildly different scores, it really is a case of "horses for courses".

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I actually like the film too -- a childhood favourite and Murphy at the top of his game.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Well, again another illustration of how we can see the same thing and have a different experience of it. Yes, the film does have it's fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Of course, it does have it warts -- and they are easier to see as an adult -- but even beyond my own nostalgia, I think it's a pretty involving adventure comedy. I saw it again just a couple of years ago, and thought as much.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I just received the 2011 La La Land 3CD. For me, the Michel Colombier score is miles and miles more interesting than the rather sleepy John Barry score. Let's see how the FSM members vote.

Neither. The Colombier effort is trendy in the worst sense. Which means that it feels twice as arcane and outdated now than does the Barry score. Orchestral music ages better.

But wait. I say neither because Barry's score is instantly forgettable, tired and routine. Been there, done that. Orchestral it is, symphonic it isn't. Barry didn't command the craft for symphonic. No matter which genre he worked in, the result was always a mix of jazz and "I got my education from an organist". But it doesn't feel as cheap as the Colombier score. It's routine, but it's not cheap. Barry didn't debase his talent when faced with this huge load of celluloid tripe, which actually says a lot about his integrity. It's not great, but it's an honest days' work.

Colombier DID debase his not inconsiderable talent to pander to the producers' taste, or lack thereof.

Let's say the film eventually got the score it so richly deserved.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Time to do a preliminary tally, FB? I have a feeling what the result will be. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Well, again another illustration of how we can see the same thing and have a different experience of it. Yes, the film does have it's fans.

Lots, actually. It was a success at the time of its release, placing in the Top 10 films of the year. It actually started out as a more serious film, at one point with Mel Gibson set to star and John Carpenter to direct. Once they left and Eddie Murphy became attached, it was re-fashioned to fit his style. It's a great deal of fun, and Murphy is perfect. I couldn't even count the number of times I've watched it over the years. Echoing Thor's comments, a very fun and entertaining adventure-comedy.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Colombier...

Found Barry's to be very forgettable (and boring). Can see this being a one sided vote, Barry could have been farting into a cup and no doubt many would choose his over someone else's just because of the composers past works and the fact that it is John Barry. Similar occurs with Goldsmith.


LOL, I totally agree!


What point having the poll when If Barry wins the result will be rubbished by the person starting the thread anyway.


Really? Seems like we have to do with a real psychic here.

 
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