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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


I like the Champions dancing, but their singing is something else. Neither one were particularly good singers. Marge sounds liek she is flat all of the time.

Gowere was actually dubbed, only in on e song in one picture, Give the Girl a Break.
On the song, I t Happens every Time, he is dubbed by Bill Lee.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Yes, Regie, the story was in the Fordin book; I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about that, but this is why I led off by mentioning the book before relating the story -- which I hope was new perhaps to some of the other correspondents on this thread...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

It's been a total pleasure reading that book and also talking about Kern (et al) on this messageboard. I'm going to start another thread and talk about the Gershwins and those RKO films of the 1930's.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I like the Champions dancing, but their singing is something else. Neither one were particularly good singers. Marge sounds liek she is flat all of the time.

Gower was actually dubbed, only in one song in one picture, Give the Girl a Break.
On the song, It Happens every Time, he is dubbed by Bill Lee.


I disagree, Joe -- I liked their singing in SHOWBOAT - "Life Upon The Wicked Stage" is a delight. Their singing doesnt match their dancing , naturally - they trained as dancers .

I didnt know that Gower was ever dubbed . I liked their singing in their only solo starring film - EVERYTHING I HAVE IS YOURS . I wore out a 10" LP that had that short score paired with LILI - I played it so much. Also they both are in good voice in their final starring feature together - THREE FOR THE SHOW. Marge has a solo of Gershwin's "Someone to Watch Over me" and I think think she sounds fine - not flat .

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Just cant seem to get away from the beautiful melodies of Jerome Kern -

I found at Sepia Records that they released a few years back IRENE DUNNE SINGS KERN & OTHER RARITIES - I have somewhere a copy on 78s of the original release of just Kern - that had 8 songs - the CD has 21 selections , most never before released on cd- apparently they all come from the collection of Michael Feinstein . Thats all I need to know !

So many people do not even remember this wonderful actress and those who do may not know what a great singer she was .

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

I've found this interesting arrangement and presentation of Kern/Hammerstein's marvellous "All the Things you Are". Doesn't this version betray its roots in Viennese operetta!! I just cannot get enough of Kern and John McGlinn has done wonderful work with the great Tin Pan Alley composers!! He obviously loves every bar of this music. I have quite a few of his recordings. And this music isn't easy to sing!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf80ntbCLCc


This a wonderful song. "The Way You Look Tonight" is also a favorite and I love how, in the bridge of "Smoke gets In Your Eyes", he modulates from E flat major to B major then back to E flat. Very clever.
So many great songs by this man.
As to why there are no Kerns, Berlins, etc. is that the industry doesn't encourage this sort of behavior:
Notes that move and words that make sense.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Before I comment about your observations, may I say what a total pleasure - total - it is to talk to you about all this. People like yourself are thin on the ground in my world in Australia. Everyone talks about "The X Factor" and other such tripe on television. Do they know how significantly impoverished they are, really? I used to tell my school students, when they complained about black and white movies (yes!), "you can ignore them if you want but it's like going into the Red centre of Australia and choosing not to look at Ayre's Rock at sunset: your life won't end if you don't look but it will be enriched immeasurably if you DO".

"Notes that move and words that make sense". Apposite. And they do far more than "make sense", miraculously.

Your comments about Kern's modulations are 'key' to my love of his (and this genre of) music. I yearn for that melodic and harmonic interest and they are no lesser works than those of Schubert, IMO. So sue me, folks, if you disagree - but I strongly am of the view that these were latter-day counterparts of the great Viennese lieder komponist. (My piano teacher nearly DID sue me for saying so years ago.)

Michael Feinstein!! What an artist. My sisters saw him in NY 18 months ago and both were dissolved into tears by the end.

Irene Dunne. Such class, such style, such "I don't know what" (French phrase forgotten!). Am I betraying my age? I hope so!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Overtones   (Member)

Jerome Kern invented the love song. When THE GIRL FROM UTAH opened in 1914 his THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME was referred to as a "dance ballad". It was so much more ... it was the template for love songs for decades to come.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

Before I comment about your observations, may I say what a total pleasure - total - it is to talk to you about all this. People like yourself are thin on the ground in my world in Australia. Everyone talks about "The X Factor" and other such tripe on television. Do they know how significantly impoverished they are, really? I used to tell my school students, when they complained about black and white movies (yes!), "you can ignore them if you want but it's like going into the Red centre of Australia and choosing not to look at Ayre's Rock at sunset: your life won't end if you don't look but it will be enriched immeasurably if you DO".

"Notes that move and words that make sense". Apposite. And they do far more than "make sense", miraculously.

Your comments about Kern's modulations are 'key' to my love of his (and this genre of) music. I yearn for that melodic and harmonic interest and they are no lesser works than those of Schubert, IMO. So sue me, folks, if you disagree - but I strongly am of the view that these were latter-day counterparts of the great Viennese lieder komponist. (My piano teacher nearly DID sue me for saying so years ago.)

Michael Feinstein!! What an artist. My sisters saw him in NY 18 months ago and both were dissolved into tears by the end.

Irene Dunne. Such class, such style, such "I don't know what" (French phrase forgotten!). Am I betraying my age? I hope so!!


Michael Feinstein is now the conductor of the Pasadena Pops since Hamlisch died.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

Jerome Kern invented the love song. When THE GIRL FROM UTAH opened in 1914 his THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME was referred to as a "dance ballad". It was so much more ... it was the template for love songs for decades to come.

There are many records from that era that were described on the label as "fox trot", "waltz", "vocal with orchestra" or some such thing.
Probably to help dancers find the style they were looking for.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

The idea of this music being for dancing makes my blood run cold, to be honest. They are so much more. But it's a sad fact that the collective IQ, particularly in relation to culture, is relatively low. So things need to be simplified in order to get the public to 'consume'.

Thankfully there are still enough real music-lovers out there whom Kern et al would be pleased to know about!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2013 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Played this one before the long-weekend.



The Way You Look Tonight is my favorite.


I just purchased this CD and it arrived this morning. I'm very disappointed as the arrangements are too jazzy for me and they mostly obscure the melody. The arrangements sound like they belong with a jazz ensemble rather than as solo pieces - a personal preference. This CD sounds like it would be better as background music in a restaurant rather than something I could pay my close attention to, very sadly!!

 
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