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 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

I think there will definitely be a sequel (and I welcome it), but whether on not Sir Ridley will be directing it is something we shall just have to wait and see. He's got three sci-fi projects on his plate at the moment (as well as other projects, no doubt), and out of the three (PROMETHEUS 2, BLADE RUNNER 2, and THE FOREVER WAR) the one I would really like to see is THE FOREVER WAR. But I'd love to see him do them all. I'm not overly looking forward to his EXODUS, but then again if it ends up being half as good as the director's cut of KINGDOM OF HEAVEN it should be worth seeing.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   ANHaupt1337   (Member)

Will there be more scenes from "Lawrence of Arabia"?

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: Will there be more scenes from "Lawrence of Arabia"?

No, I doubt it. David wasn't able to go back and get his video collection with his favorite movie, "Lawrence of Arabia."

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I wrote the above quickly (because I had to run out for something) and I forgot to add why I think there won't be a sequel.

PROMETHEUS did not "tank" at the box office, in fact it did very well -- but so do a lot of lousy movies. PROMETHEUS did tank with the critics, the majority of critics. I think it also tanked with the majority of film goers. (No, I haven't checked its rating at Rotten Tomatoes.)


Well, FWIW:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/
74% Fresh, Average Rating 6.9/10.

Not quite exceptional praise, to be sure, but not tanking with the majority of critics, either.

Just because a movie does very well at the box office doesn't mean that everyone walked out happy about what they saw. There was a lot of studio build up for PROMETHEUS and a lot of fan-boy excitement about it, but I contend that the film disappointed more than it pleased most people. In a very short time, at least by 2016 or 2017, PROMETHEUS will be a distant memory, a movie some might catch on cable or satellite or notice the box on the video shelf with a nice layer of dust on it. I notice now at my local video store that most copies of PROMETHEUS are gone -- that's when I'm bothering to notice at all, of course. I think it's fading away fast and I think the executives at Fox are probably forgetting about it pretty quickly too, though I seriously would never underestimate their taste and crassness.

As box office, PROMETHEUS may have been boffo (and everyone does know that Fox was still disappointed with its performance, right? You do know that?), but as art -- you know, that thing that makes movies really important as apposed to how well they sell -- as art... PROMETHEUS was a turd.

So, again, I say {i}THERE WILL BE NO SEQUEL
.

Agreed about the box office not proving people liked what they saw, but I don't follow how you get from that to the rest of your argument (particularly in light of the critical reaction turning out to have been generally positive on the whole, if not exactly glowing). I don't know that it'll be "forgotten"; heck, even people who lambasted Star Wars - Episode I: The Phantom Menace are still going on about it now, almost a decade and a half after it came out (!). Having an interest in the greater overall franchise(s) (i.e., Alien and Predator and everything in that "family") is all that's required to keep some public interest (both good and bad) in this specific movie alive.

Moreover, I don't see how you reach your conclusion. Are you arguing that bad movies cannot have sequels - that Prometheus's shortcomings mean it's flatly impossible in can get a sequel?

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Joe E:

You are quite right -- they are constantly making sequels to lousy movies! (You can be sure that members are going to line up listing THEIR examples of that!)

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Re: Will there be more scenes from "Lawrence of Arabia"?

No, I doubt it. David wasn't able to go back and get his video collection with his favorite movie, "Lawrence of Arabia."


If only the crew had brought along the Alien -by then- quadragintology boxset with them, it might have warned them of the possible dangers!

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

And your "How terribly stupid of me" shows that you just don't get it. As for Sheetmusicman's many posts, he took sheet music for film music cues and had a young and energetic team of musicians perform them spontaneously and without rehearsal as an interesting experiment. Yes, I kinda wish they had been posted on the other discussion "Trading Post," but what he posted deals with music from films, however much you may want to belittle it, and has as much right to be here as many of the topics that end up here -- such as the one about what an awful movie "Prometheus" is.

Hey, I like Sheetmusicman's posts, never said I didn't, and as for not getting it.... Oh, I get it all right. I'm just don't get the number of message board Nazis that live here ready to jump on anyone who even slightly annoys them. I guess I'm just too liberally minded.

I'm glad nearly everyone here can't wait for a sequel to PROMETHEUS. Whatever makes you happy. I watched a little of it again last night on satellite, but I just don't get what the attraction is. All I see is an empty hodge-podge of stuff from better movies. There's just no accounting for tastes, but being a lifelong observer of the movie industry, my bet is still threr will be no sequel. You might as well be waiting for a sequel to Tim Burton's POTA. I wonder how many of you would have argued with me back then when I predicted that would get no sequel too?

And if you don't understand what's wrong with all the sequels we get today, I guess you're beyond hope. I learned the hard way to hate sequels back in the early seventies when Fox ran my favorite movie into the ground with one inferior sequel after another until it became an embarrassment. Damn you all to hell, Fox, and damn you again if you do a PROMETHEUS 2 -- which I don't think you will.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

Prometheus is among the prettiest horrible movies ever made.

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   ANHaupt1337   (Member)

Prometheus is among the prettiest horrible movies ever made.

Dan


If by "horrible," you mean "bad," I'm with you all the way.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


And if you don't understand what's wrong with all the sequels we get today, I guess you're beyond hope. I learned the hard way to hate sequels back in the early seventies when Fox ran my favorite movie into the ground with one inferior sequel after another until it became an embarrassment.


I think that was happening to the Alien franchise before they brought back Ridley Scott IMO, with the unimaginative Resurrection, the mediocre Alien VS Predator and the terrible Alien VS Predator requiem which to this day I still haven't seen. For me, Prometheus is on par with the original trilogy and there is not one movie of those that is not without flaws, including the often praised masterpiece 'Alien'. IMO.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=92675&forumID=7&archive=0


'nuff said!
brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)


And if you don't understand what's wrong with all the sequels we get today, I guess you're beyond hope. I learned the hard way to hate sequels back in the early seventies when Fox ran my favorite movie into the ground with one inferior sequel after another until it became an embarrassment.


I think that was happening to the Alien franchise before they brought back Ridley Scott IMO, with the unimaginative Resurrection, the mediocre Alien VS Predator and the terrible Alien VS Predator requiem which to this day I still haven't seen. For me, Prometheus is on par with the original trilogy and there is not one movie of those that is not without flaws, including the often praised masterpiece 'Alien'. IMO.


RoryR: Did you mean "Planet of the Apes"?

I must say that it sometimes can be very confusing trying to figure out who posted a particular line or paragraph when people are quoting and re-quoting. At first I addressed my little question above to Francis, then came across the quoted part from RoryR and changed it. And we'll often see quotes within quotes within quotes. As a rule I like to address the person specifically by handle and just quote a small part of what they posted -- the salient part, so to speak. But sometimes it's just easier to post the entire thing. I have to laugh when someone posts, say, a foot of quotes, only to leave a one-word response at the bottom of it!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I have to laugh when someone posts, say, a foot of quotes, only to leave a one-word response at the bottom of it!

Don't laugh, just abuse them.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I know Prometheus was a flawed film, but it hooked me. I need so many questions answered, so I am demanding a sequel.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

It's not just that Promethus was a stinker with loopy Von Daniken science. It's that the expectation for it was so high, & the big build up, people must have thought they were going to see the second coming. I can only imagine the silence as they left the cinema.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's not just that Promethus was a stinker with loopy Von Daniken science. It's that the expectation for it was so high, & the big build up, people must have thought they were going to see the second coming. I can only imagine the silence as they left the cinema.

I had enormous expectations myself, as the first two ALIEN films are maybe my alltime favourite films, and I adore the whole franchise. So these expectations had built up ever since I knew about Scott's desire to return to the universe in the early 90s. Imagine that -- 20 years of expectations!

Still.....I absolutely LOVED the film.

But maybe I'm the exception that proved the rule.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Still.....I absolutely LOVED the film.

But maybe I'm the exception that proved the rule.


Well, as Peter Ustinov once said, "There's no accounting for taste, as those who believe they are blessed with it never tire of pointing out."

But Thor, dear Thor, god of thunder...did you really find this the acme of cinema art? To me nothing about it made the slightest sense. All those psychologically unstable people, all supposedly hand-picked, taken on an earth-shaking expedition to the outer reaches of the galaxy to find man's origins. They've never met each other before. Eh? They didn't train together? They're scientists, yet several seem--and act--more like recruits from the waiting room of a parole office, complete with weird haircuts and tattoos. The archeologist spots an ancient corpse, freaks--absurdly--and heads back to the ship. Despite having an electronic guidance device he immediately gets lost. In this alien environment, confronted with a dangerous looking albino lizard, he's immediately captivated by it's "beauty" and reaches out to touch it. Scratch one archeologist. And so it goes on...people removing their helmets with no proof the environment is safe...getting infected with dangerous organisms yet not bothering to mention it to anyone else...having stomach-stapling operations and then running the 4 minute mile without apparent discomfort--or even more absurd, rejoining their companions covered in blood without being asked if anything's wrong or indeed what the hell happened to them.

Don't want to rubbish other people's choices, but this film seemed so absurd I'm somewhat disquieted to see so many people praising it. I know this is the film MUSIC forum, but can someone rationalise this for me so I can sleep tonight without half suspecting I've slipped into a parallel universe.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 3:44 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think we went back and forth on this in some of the previous threads on the film?

Personally, I didn't really care about story elements at all, which is what you seem to have an issue with. That's not why I go to see a Ridley Scott film. They can be brilliant and they can be bad. For me, all that matters is how much content he's able to communciate through audiovisual ideas, the ambiance/mood, the 'visceral' aspect of it etc. It can be a transportation sequence, a juxtaposition of new and old (like Vicker's escape pod), the Freudian imagery (like the 'penis/vagina snake) and so on. For me, he's the ultimate film ARTIST who just happens to work inside a Hollywood paradigm.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Personally, I didn't really care about story elements at all

Wow, that's an approach to film viewing I've never actually encountered.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I think the archeologist and the singer from the Prodigy were the weakest thing about Prometheus, and for me where Prometheus suffers the most is the chain of events following the medical operation pod sequence, with Naomi just running about and nobody caring and the whole hangar fight with the flame throwers, it felt like a mess to me. In the making of, they had problems with that part of the movie, the impression I get is that the hangar sequence wasn't that stellar and they decided to cut it against Naomi's birth and aftermath and to me that whole part seemed very clunky and edited too fast to get done with it. But the movie to me luckily recovers with them going to see the Engineer and what follows. Regarding Shaw walking about very energetic after surviving that stapling, she has moments where she shows fatigue and pain, in the deleted scenes it's shown to greater extent.

But I agree, there are scenes and actions that are designed to further the plot rather than have it make sense, but for me they didn't bother me as much to the point I was taken out of the movie, there's still plenty to admire and experience IMO.

 
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