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 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Or am I to conclude that's a pile of BS?

IIRC the PressRelease back then made it clear that CuttingEdge received the many millions from their investors to enter (or get bigger in) the movie music publishing business !!
(And Varese was only a small part of the overall deal.)

And these investors surely would want their money back as fast as possible and Club releases seem to not generate enough profit for that otherwise they would have done some.
At least now for christmas.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

http://www.insidecannes.com

Again, have you met them and asked specifically about the Varese Club or Varese Sarabande label?




Of course not. Why would they want to meet me? I don't have a yacht.
Cutting Edge's plans for Varese have been written about at length. Just Google it.
If they cared one iota about Varese Club customers, they'd have put a simple message on their news page at some point during the last several months.


That is for sure and can't be denied by anyone.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

The profit from a handful of CD limited Club titles selling a couple of thousand copies each must be minuscule for Cutting Edge's overall turnover so it wouldn't surprise me if we've seen the last of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

The profit from a handful of CD limited Club titles selling a couple of thousand copies each must be minuscule for Cutting Edge's overall turnover so it wouldn't surprise me if we've seen the last of them.

I would guess that the same is true about the anniversary concerts, no? I tend to think there's still releases coming....

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

The profit from a handful of CD limited Club titles selling a couple of thousand copies each must be minuscule for Cutting Edge's overall turnover so it wouldn't surprise me if we've seen the last of them.

I would guess that the same is true about the anniversary concerts, no? I tend to think there's still releases coming....

Chris


I think Basil has covered the point about the concerts very well in one of his messages above, they do them for exposure and publicity. But who knows Chris, there well may be some releases in the pipeline?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Here's what MV had to say on August 15 this year:

When the dust settles Varese will still be standing. If the rumors are true they have some truly incredible product in line for the future. Consider this the lull before the storm. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Here's what MV had to say on August 15 this year:

When the dust settles Varese will still be standing. If the rumors are true they have some truly incredible product in line for the future. Consider this the lull before the storm. wink


Yes "rumors" indeed!

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If they cared one iota about Varese Club customers, they'd have put a simple message on their news page at some point during the last several months.

That is for sure and can't be denied by anyone.


Oh yeah? As a customer of Varese from the very beginning, who bought several of the very first Club releases when the offerings were sent via flyer in the regular mail, I honestly couldn't possibly care less about whether they put some news on their site. These releases will happen or they won't (but they will). When they happen, I will buy the ones that interest me. I am not insulted by their lack of news. I think it's silly to think we should be.

Are you really naïve enough to believe that a simple message on their news page would satisfy anybody carping here? We'd just get variations of the usual posts we see here. "If it's coming, why don't they just announce the titles already?" "Does anybody know if those releases they announced in their simple message have been canceled?" And on and on…

There are Club releases coming, eventually. The bigger question for me is, will I want to buy them?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

[I think Basil has covered the point about the concerts very well in one of his messages above, they do them for exposure and publicity.

Boy, that exposure and publicity seems absolutely minimal. If that's why they're doing them, it is a terrible business model indeed.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm thinking maybe he knew more than he let on, based on this comment he made a something like, maybe three weeks or so ago where he said the LLLR's office has become something of a hud for other labels and master tapes will often come through and be stored there for them, for breif periods. I suspect Varese is no different, and tapes for things they are doing, find their way through his office.


Wouldn't you like to be a fly on that office wall, huh? Or at least the creepy guy behind the curtains.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


Are you really naïve enough to believe that a simple message on their news page would satisfy anybody carping here?




Some might say, that in the age of Facebook and Twitter etc etc, when weekly or even daily communication with target audiences has never been more concentrated and focused, it's very naive to have an official News Page that carries no news whatsoever for months on end.
Makes me wonder how "cutting edge" the new owner, Cutting Edge, really is.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Why would nobody be satisfied if, for example, a message such as this was posted:
"We at Varese Sarabande apologize for the lack of updates and new batches from the CD Club. In the shuffle of new management, concerts, and other business related tasks, the CD Club had to be put on hold for 2013. The Varese Sarabande CD Club will unequivocally return at an unspecified date in 2014. Rather than leave long-time costumers and new soundtrack fans in the dark, we will provide a monthly update, even if to say 'There's no new news at the moment', on the news page of the site."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Weyoun   (Member)


Are you really naïve enough to believe that a simple message on their news page would satisfy anybody carping here?




Some might say, that in the age of Facebook and Twitter etc etc, when weekly or even daily communication with target audiences has never been more concentrated and focused, it's very naive to have an official News Page that carries no news whatsoever for months on end.
Makes me wonder how "cutting edge" the new owner, Cutting Edge, really is.


Yes, but Varese has never been particularly keen on a dialog with its consumers. Notice how they don't have any spokespeople that post on messageboards, etc. So in this sense, no news is consistent with past Varese behaviour.

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

Varese is well known for NOT getting involved/participating in boards such as this - there is an old FSM podcast where Robert Townson specifically says (with emotion behind it) that he has no interest in getting "into it" with the fanboys. Lukas, MV, Bruce kindly participate, and deal with much of the comment that they feel is BS in their own way; Robert does the same by not getting involved at all.

Regardless of what side you come down on as to whether we "deserve" constant updates or not, a read through of this thread gives a good indication of why RT doesn't want to get involved in it - why bother as you will just enter a circular hell of opposing opinions that will not be changed. IF he was to post here, I have no doubt he would say that he could give us updates, or do his job (produce), and he would prefer to produce. He might also say that Varese has always given advance notice on their site when something is coming, so just check in from time to time. Whether Facebook and Twitter is in their business/promotional plan is up to them.

On my end, I think the idea of weekly updates is on the ridiculous side, but a note saying a schedule is changing, or something is on hiatus for a period of time is not too much to ask for. I do not hold it against a label to not give updates, as I do not worship a label who does.

As for the club, I think that the "prestige" releases of scores have been picked up by the other labels, but Varese is still, hands down, the label that releases the most scores (as it has always been), and that is worth remembering.

As for the titles held in perpetuity, I think this is a good indication that the club is not dead; if it was, why not let other labels to sub-licence these? It seems likely to me that: a) they are keeping them for future club releases, or b) their licence doesn't allow them to "sublet."

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Why would nobody be satisfied if, for example, a message such as this was posted:
"We are Varese Sarabande apologize for the lack of updates and new batches from the CD Club. In the shuffle of new management, concerts, and other business related tasks, the CD Club had to be put on hold for 2013. The Varase Sarabande CD Club will unequivocally return at an unspecified date in 2014. Rather than leave long-time costumers and new soundtrack fans in the dark, we will provide a monthly update, even if to say 'There's no new news at the moment', on the news page of the site."


A reasonable response in a thread like this. Are you high?!

Seriously, though, that'd be neat.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

In reality I could care less about Varese's CD Club. There a few Goldsmith titles I would want, but moreso several of the titles that they own in perpetuity. I hope they just give them up to a more interested label i.e. INTRADA, LALA, KRITZERLAND etc. Here is hoping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I continue to thank God that the Bernard Herrmann centenary occurred when it did.

I still wonder if Varese somehow controls access to OBSESSION, given that the Canadian branch released the standard 38 minute version of the score via mail order many years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Duplicate post

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Duplicate post.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

As if there aren't enough scores being released... Give them a break. They will release'em when ready.

 
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